Principles of Conservativism
This is a pretty decent list and one that even most Libertarians would agree with.
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I would just argue that by virtue of their religious collectivism, conservatives are ALSO on the left, just like any other collectivist movement.
That's the stark reality of politics: communists announced their takeover and in response conservatives offered nothing but, OK but keep it Christian.
Objectivism is a philosophy consistent with classic liberalism and that is the only true "right wing" in politics, if the political spectrum is to mean anything.
Isn't it the left that is accusing the right of "populism" when they are striving for the interest of the people and country?
Take Europe for example. The countries that resisted the migrant onslaught are dubbed "populist" b/c their leaders did not bend to the collective demand of the left such as Germany, France, Sweden but kept their promise to the people who elected them to put national interest first. Trump is also blamed for it.
You are probably right on this.
What you are stating is only in your head.
".today's conservative has more in common with yesterday's communist/fascist that yesterday's conservative because of their lack of a consistent philosophy and lack of principles..."
You have stated this in effect twice, yet this is at odds with the article and my own experience. Would you care to elaborate on why you feel this way? I know there are a lot of leftists who attempt to portray fascists as right-wing, but the core of their belief set is tied to government control and this article's assertions are very much in opposition...
That being said, conservatives actually hold a very defined view of God which is anything but arbitrary and capricious - though some hold a more refined definition than others. Even accounting for these fluctuations, however, there are several questions which the notion of God answers which Objectivism does not, mainly regarding the origin of the soul and the disposition of the soul after death. It's all fine to criticize another philosophy or religion but one should do so only after studying it. Passing judgement of something based on ignorance is blatant fallacy and if one does so based on antipathy they fall prey to bias - not objectivity.
I also knew atheist Madelyn O'Hara in Austin, Texas...she was a true atheist with no philosophy...
Objectivism is a serious, coherent philosophy, but as Ayn and Nat would say...you lay down with dogs, you get up with fleas...
"The federal government is instituted to protect the rights bestowed on individuals under natural law. It exists to preserve life, liberty and property—a mission that includes not only protecting the sanctity of life but defending freedom of speech, religion, the press, and assembly, and the right of individuals to be treated equally and justly under the law, and to enjoy the fruits of their labor.
·The federal government’s powers should be limited to only those named in the Constitution and exercised solely to protect the rights of its citizens.
·Government functions best when it is closest and most accountable to the people and where power is shared between the federal government and the states.
·Individuals and families make the best decisions for themselves and their children about health, education, jobs, and welfare.
·America’s economy and the prosperity of individual citizens are best served by a system built on free enterprise, economic freedom, private property rights, and the rule of law. This system is best sustained by policies that promote general economic freedom and eliminate governmental preferences for special interests, including free trade, deregulation, and opposing government interventions in the economy that distort free markets and impair innovation.
·Tax policies should raise the minimum revenue necessary to fund only constitutionally appropriate functions of government.
·Regulations should be limited to those that produce a net benefit to the American people as a whole, weighing both financial and liberty costs.
·Judges should interpret and apply our laws and the Constitution based on their original meaning, not upon judges’ own personal and political predispositions.
·America must be a welcoming nation—one that promotes patriotic assimilation and is governed by laws that are fair, humane, and enforced to protect its citizens.
·America is strongest when our policies protect our national interests, preserve our alliances of free peoples, vigorously counter threats to our security and interests, and advance prosperity through economic freedom at home and abroad."
I get that you want to inject atheism into the mix and emphasize the differences between Objectivists and conservatives. I don't think anyone is trying to say those differences don't exist. But what I'm seeing here is a substantial list of commonalities.
objectivism is based on reality...knowledge and certainty...reason and the rational...respect of the natural rights of the individual and a civilized society...your only hope for a life of your choosing...
IMHO, the major contributor is the media institutions in this nation - they have favored socialism and communism for a century. They fawned over Woodrow Wilson and castigated Calvin Coolidge; they protected FDR while denouncing Eisenhower; they persecuted McCarthy even though he was outing legitimate Communists and turned his name into an epithet; they excoriate Trump after giving a complete pass to Obama.
As to the eventual fall of this nation, the debt will be a major factor in this primarily because there is a faction who wishes to see the Constitution torn down (Democrats) and another which is apathetic (RINO's). Those two outnumber the third faction (Conservatives like the House Freedom Caucus) who would actually do something about it, rendering them impotent on the national policy stage.
I would also mention that if you want a solution, the best friend of the libertarian is the conservative - it certainly isn't going to be the Democrat! Remember, it was the Blue Dog Democrats of the 1980's which used to most closely resemble the libertarian of today, and they were pushed out of that Party by the socialists and communists. In very fact, one can level the very same accusations of apathy toward erstwhile libertarians that you have leveled against conservatives in the Republican Party.
What do I see as the resolution (aside from total collapse and reset which I believe to be the most likely outcome)? I would like to see the abolition/adjustment of the 12th Amendment. People don't bring that one up very often, but it is the one which put the Vice President onto the ballot with the President and effectively ensconced political parties. I think that making the Vice President the Runner-Up in the presidential election would go a long way toward establishing the legitimacy of third parties like the Libertarian Party, the Constitution Party, and yes even the Green and Communist Parties because they would now have a legitimate shot at becoming President while representing that 30-40% of America which doesn't really have a voice in modern politics. I believe that just like competition is a necessity in the marketplace, we need competition in our political sphere and that it is the two-party system - and the apathy it encourages - which is the biggest impediment to a robust US democratic republic.
conservativism is based on the altruist philosophy...they are on the right and the communist/fascists on the left...
objectivism is not on the that philosophical spectrum...it is based on natural rights...it is based on reality "evidence of the senses" and and a sound epistemology...
conservatives surrendered the republic for democracy which leads to tyranny of the majority...it is now a numbers game...which we will lose...but the destruction of the financial system will soon end in collapse and chaos with a 90% die-off...
who will rise from the ashes?...
This is called trajectory: In physics, think of throwing a ball straight ahead. Eventually, forces like wind and gravity will cause the ball to curve and drop instead of continuing straight. In politics and policy, the forces that create a curved trajectory – deviating from principles – include pressure from the media or political opponents, pressure from those you normally agree with deviating from principles themselves, or not wanting to be seen as the only one advocating for a position that’s right but not popular.”
That point is possible but from what I see they deviate from the path because of Blackmail.
That is what Epstein and Brennan/Hussein’s Hammer were all about.
They get elected and then they get compromised.
These elected officials are human and have weaknesses. The Deep state satanists have all the resources they need , it is just a matter of time before the human takes the bait. If not , they just drug them and then put them in a compromised position.