All health epidemics/plagues, over the last 20 years, and 10 centuries, have come from China. I will stand corrected if it is not all but only say 9 out of 10. Back in the 13 hundreds it took years to spread, now with direct flights Wuhan to Milan, hours. I think there was a big inflow to the US from China early, Jan, in 2020.
It is known for certain how they spread, how they start is not certain but there is evidence of pathogens evolving and transmitting across species, some species get the symptoms, some just transmit. This is made faster by human eating of species known for conveying disease before individual members die from it, namely rats and bats.
We are talking about a regime here about which I for one can believe the worst, but I will need strong evidence to accept they did it deliberately. What we see is a major error which hit them just as hard, or worse, as it hit others. Those at the top are unscrupulous but also careful and calculating,

I an not up-to-date on CDC but as for WHO, firing may be a good word - as in up against a wall.

many Questions are unanswered complete agreement there.

Dr Fauci and Mr Kelly on the same page?

https://mobile.twitter.com/Inevitable...

Mr Kelly from the Atlas Society. I agree with much of what he said but once again , I am reminded how brainwashed this country is. This event that the whole world will never forget. The first time in history the worlds economy has been shut down.

Mr Kelly wrote :”Be rational in looking for information. The internet is a fabulous resource, but it is also a petri dish for fake news, conspiracy theories, and the like – which are all the more prevalent in times of crisis. Don't fall for it.”
What does this mean? Just listen to the “respected” talking heads or the mainstream narrative. That is a Petri dish . Here is a trusted source https://www.breitbart.com/the-media/2...
Don’t fall for it? These talking have been controlled and parrot the deep state cabals message. How does this grab you Mr Kelly https://mobile.twitter.com/chrisbergP... Every rock , nook and cranny should be examined. BTW Mr Kelly a conspiracy is a group of people colluding to do evil. A theory is taking facts and trying to figure out what happened. Theory is a supposition or a system of ideas intended to explain something,
From what I have learned about this. A massive investigation into the origins is crucial. Mr Kelly can think someone eating a bat at a market in China caused this {{rapid spread}} . These markets have operated for eons in China but now they are a Qreat risk. Bullshit I say.
This rapid spread is unprecedented. The extremely contagious nature is as well. A rational person might ask is it possibly a weaponized bioweapon?. Who has those capabilities?
Just prior to the break out Wuhan had 100,000 people from over 100 nations that all leave at the same time. Could that be how it spread world wide? With an American dying every 7 mins on average from the flu , I wonder what those numbers look like after this pandemic started. Are they being now designated as having died from Covid19? https://mobile.twitter.com/chrisbergP... If the CDC says expect between 1.6 million to 200,000 deaths, why haven’t they all been fired? FuQing incompetence. I think Mr Kelly needs to be reprogrammed to not rush to judgement when so many Questions are unanswered

'Idolatry' meaning "immoderate attachment or devotion to something" is from Merriam Webster. Webster's has it as "The worship of idols" or "Blind adoration", where 'idol' is "An image that is worshiped" or "Or one that is blindly adored".

This is common usage of the term 'idolatry', not subjectively "always making up definitions". We don't need a dictionary to know the contemporary usage of such a common word. It has nothing to do with archaic terminology referring to dogmas of religious sins, which is irrelevant.

There is, of course, the common psychological theme of subjectivism, which accounts for the etymology.

Trump's saying "we've got to get this country open again" acknowledges that it is now closed due to government policy.

A few days ago he announced that the 'shutdown' is extended for another month, when it will be reevaluated. They are predicting a surge in infections over the next few weeks, which may very well happen in some areas.

Trump also previously said he doesn't want the "cure to be worse than the disease", but it didn't stop him from endorsing the widespread shutdown across the country.

There is no controversy over what in fact government policy, including Trump, is doing and is intended to do to shut down the economy for an indeterminate time, only controversy over evaluation, and some who idolize Trump are emotionally defensive about it while others are praising him for the same actions.

Some kind of quarantining and separation is required for at least some areas of population, especially after governments at all levels so badly botched preparedness, but not a sweeping shutdown destroying people's lives and health.

They have been back to the mentality of "destroying the village to save it", the infamous excuse in the Vietnam War for entirely annihilating a village. Remember that?

Always you make your own definition up. Very leftist tactic. From 9 hrs ago..“We’ve got to get this country open again,”
@realDonaldTrump
said in response to more questions about need for more aggressive anti-COVID measures.

Idolatry, as in "Trump idolatry", means "immoderate attachment or devotion to something". This common usage has nothing to do with the anachronistic meaning from religion and its irrational "blasphemy" condemnations.

There is however a psychological connection through the rampant subjectivism, for example dismissing facts that happen to be unpleasantly related to Trump as "derangement".

TDS is unbecoming. Why claim Idolatry .That is an insult of course.
Idolatry is the worship of an idol or cult image, being a physical image, such as a statue, or a person in place of God .idolatry connotes the worship of something or someone other than God as if it were God.

The Trump administration is openly supporting and encouraging the lockdowns on a daily basis.

"Treasury Secretary Mnuchin just told Lou Dobbs 'We've shut down the US economy.'"

That is administration policy on the virus situation, not some irrelevant "opinion". Facts are not "moot", even when they contradict Trump idolatry trying to rewrite reality.

An opinion that Trump encouraged and approved a lockdown is no evidence. Everything else is moot.

Everyone knows what "lockdown" means. Ordering businesses to close is not "guidance". The state lists of what is and isn't deemed essential and fully or partially allowed to remain open are specific, though evolving and contradictory. The rationales for what is deemed "essential" are vague and contradictory.

Truth, guidance to shelter in place and social distance is not a lockdown. I do not know of any state with a real lockdown (maybe NTC?) since all say "essential workers". Essential is vague, in Oregon Intel is "essential"...they donate big money...

Well stated!

That is a strawman. I wrote several times that the orders are coming from state governors, with Trump encouragement and approval. That is not "spin".

There is no federal order to lockdown.. spin it how you like.

Doctors give guidance all the time. State governors shutting down most activity covering about 90% of people nationally in accordance with the Trump administration's desires and approval are government orders, not "guidance".

Saying that a few governors have "dragged their feet" and that Fauci thinks the "federal government should move to place the entire country under a stay-at-home order" and "[doesn't understand why that's not happening", while pronouncing that "facts matter", does not refute anything:

"Facts matter":

"The orders are from state governors, covering almost everyone:

"Thirty-eight states, Washington, DC, and Puerto Rico have issued stay-at-home orders, encouraging isolation measures to prevent the spread of the coronavirus.

"Some metro areas in states without such orders — including Birmingham, Alabama; Salt Lake City, Utah; and Houston and Dallas, Texas — are also under stay-at-home orders.

"In total, that brings about 90% of America's population, or about 297 million people, under some form of lockdown." https://www.businessinsider.com/us-ma...

https://www.galtsgulchonline.com/post...

"Trump did not personally issue the state shutdown orders but has obviously encouraged and approves them. Treasury Secretary Mnuchin just told Lou Dobbs 'We've shut down the US economy."

https://www.galtsgulchonline.com/post...

EWE. facts matter.

Nine governors continue to drag their feet on issuing stay-at-home directives.

Some say they fear lockdowns could harm their states' economies, while others think their residents can help curb the spread of coronavirus by using their own good judgments. The states are Arkansas, Iowa, Nebraska, North Dakota, Oklahoma, South Carolina, South Dakota, Utah and Wyoming.
Dr. Anthony Fauci, a member of the White House coronavirus task force, recently told CNN’s Anderson Cooper the federal government should move to place the entire country under a stay-at-home order to curb the spread of coronavirus.

"I don't understand why that's not happening,” Fauci said, "If you look at what's going on in this country, I just don't understand why we're not doing that. We really should be.”

Trump is letting the doctors Give the guidance.

I just downloaded a kindle book on the Spanish flu, which was many times worse than the Kung flu of today. That was back in the day where they practiced the opposite of social distancing and actually promoted mingling of sick and well people- with disastrous results. Spanish flu pretty much attacked and killed people of all ages no matter if they were healthy. If they ceased travel they could have prevented a lot of deaths. But it was during ww1

The evidence is from watching Trump's own daily speeches on the topic.

Mnuchin is his Secretary of the Treasury. He said on the Lou Dobbs show: "WE'VE shut down the US economy."

Trump also at the televised signing ceremony, where he passed out pens, basked in the record-setting $2 trillion spending bill that he openly asked for.

Evidence please, that “Trump obviously encouraged and approved them”. Mnuchin is stating the obvious of what has happened. Governors issue the states directives.

Almost anyone will apply his own premises when dealing with a crisis. The more strongly he embraces them the more he pushes them in a crisis.

I have found only a specific group abide by that theory. It is credited to Rham Emmanuel a classic deep state crony demonrat.

Trump did not personally issue the state shutdown orders but has obviously encouraged and approves them. Treasury Secretary Mnuchin just told Lou Dobbs "We've shut down the US economy."

Could it be that the government is listening to its own mantra- dont let a good "crisis" go to waste?
They are shutting down the whole economy apparetly to save fewer people by far than the regular flue kills every year. I think a better approach is to isolate the old and sick, but let the young and resilient just deal with the virus and recover from it and get immunity from it. THEN the old and sick can come back out after herd immunity makes them safe.