I give your opinion with a related degree some weight. I read the descriptions from the companies which differ, must say I give them little weight. I give Dr Simone Gold of American Frontline Doctors considerable weight.
https://www.lifesitenews.com/news/fro...

" even the designation of the new products as vaccines is inapprorpriate."
"experimental drug .. studied to see if your disease or medical condition improves while taking it.’
investigational = experimental
Data-
" hundreds of individuals injected with COVID-19 experimental vaccines have been admitted to the hospital, and the shots have so far been linked to at least 181 deaths in the United States."
Gene therapy is the process of altering the DNA genome by using
designed mRNA. This was discovered by Modena some years ago. I accept this as fact unless disputed with authority/refs.
As for scaremongering- strongly agree, but who is doing it?
Yes there is the condition, if you have the virus, the average chance of survival is 99.8%, for over 70s about 95.5%.
Try this calc for the over 70 and a 85% effective vax
1-(1-0.955) times 0.85 = 1-0.003825 = 96.175%
You have increased you chance of survival from 95.5% to 96.175%
Ivermectin would be far better, and far safer. and, you can take ivermectin just after getting the virus. Vaxes make you more susceptible for the first 4 weeks so if you have the virus, a vax is too late!

The article has links to at least 3 other sources.
There is similar news from Norway , Israel, and UK.

Today we have the "incentive" problem due to increased funding if a death or so called "Cases" are covid related. That is truly why their numbers are so high....so much for "Ethics" in health care.

I would agree with those who would just let the virus die out by not changing behavior until immunity spreads throughout the world. That is what happened with the Spanish flu because there was no way to stop the virus. About 600,000 Americans died within about half the population as of today. That would be over a million deaths with today's population. With vaccines, as with any of the drugs used in treatment of CoVid-19, there are and have been deaths from use of them. One has to make a trade off between how many are saved versus how many die. There is no way to decide who may have died from not being vaccinate or having been vaccinated.
You are probably old enough to remember smallpox vaccine. It was cowpox and was safe for most people, but about five children died of the vaccination a year. Millions were save from a possibly horrible death. When the disease was about wiped out in the USA, vaccination stopped because of the bad ratio of dead from vaccination to saved by it. It can be argued that in the case of smallpox, it was proper to require vaccination due to the horrible course of the disease. With the SARS CoV-2 vaccines, it is possible to have the choice for taking the shots and possibly have mostly only those concidered decrepit go through complications and die. But no one has made it mandatory for you, so what is the problem?
Nowhere has the FDA claimed that the vaccines will be 100% effective. It depends upon what percentage and how the innumerate find it hard to use larger numbers when the numbers of ill get past their perceived large number understanding, i.e., when the bad outcomes get above some small accepted threshold where the number suddenly seems gigantic threatening.

It increasingly seems that one is better off without the vaccine...hard to swallow any news that comes out.
We had a young man, 29, die three days after his second M. shot...he had a physical just before that and was said to be in normal health...he died of a heart attack and wasn't over weight.

Thanks for posting additional news on the subject.

"...falling seriously ill or dying due to the jabs...." Not necessarily:

https://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/britis...

I have heard of it recently from other sources but without any meat, this one had a little and some other info that might make some think twice about what vaccine to get if any.

I heard of this elsewhere as well and I agree about needing "NUMBERS" but I expect the numbers will come if we ever hear of it again...however, it does seem to be a pattern developing.

Every email news site I get sensationalizes events...But although I'm a bit weary about the news, I do mostly know what is going on and don't need to go further beyond the copy book headings.

Unless you find confirmation from other sources, this is FAKE NEWS. Enough spreading fear

Vaccinations, by definition, unless the definition has been changed and is universally accepted, are derived from the "organism" of origin. From my understanding the present shot is manufactured "synthesis".

All the articles on that site seem a bit weird. I prefer to see stated numbers with an indication of how they were derived.
This article and all the others look like sensationalized rehashes of stuff we have heard before. What's the purpose? It is like that theory of the 1871 "Corporation of the United States" which sure looks like something to grab "believers" into yet another anti-holocaust or faked-moon-landing belief? I'll bet it's expected to trap the gullible among us, helping paint our rational positions to be included in the list of false theories.

YEP...

Funny, in a sad sort of way...

(sarc) This is proof the vaccine works. There's no way to get COVID-19 if your dead.

Just looking at J&J Covid statements, "unapproved".

There are interesting things going on with those vaxes.
I think this applies to both kinds.

There may be a drop in antibodies, natural immunity, in the first days after vaccination. If so, that is a crucial time for patients, they should isolate quite strictly. After 28 days antibody levels have recovered, and after another week are at a high level. Above age 55 the recovery has shorter duration. This effect, if it exists, would account for high death stats in the first few weeks but low fatalities over the first months.

All part of the description - experimental.

Outbreak of Death, what a headline. Sort of like Vince Edwards found less than alive. Which is how you had to state it to get by Twitter censorship.

I don't think there is a "drug addict" Co. in the world that speaks without a forked tongue.

"messenger RNA (mRNA) experimental gene therapy injection".
Whenever and wherever you have the chance to address "Vaccination or Vaccine", please use the above definition.

Ayn Rand: "Definitions are the guardians of rationality, the first line of defense against the chaos of mental dis-integration."

J & J rarely speaks the truth history of this firm and others they have purchased prove this fact.

Yes about the whole mess but I thought J&J did, it was stated that no one got sick nor died in the trial phase...not to mention it's old traditional tech and most likely harmless insofar as a normal flu vaccine. I still couldn't take it but my wife could and she wants to get a vaccine. I told her that J&J would be the one to get, with her problems the others would have killed her.

What worries me most, and I have a long term relationship offering health care to others, is that these vaccines are still experimental. Particularly J&J who didn't complete their human trial testing. It seems to me in the past it took much longer to develop certain vaccines than is happening now.