True. Ultimately, it all comes down to self-interest and conflicts therein, does it not? The problems in government arise when those in power can grant to themselves more power - either in pay or in the continuance in getting elected. Either one is a harbinger of a government straying from its purpose. We see it today in our federal government in several ways - from the lobbying profession, to their exemptions from insider trading laws to their deliberate vote pandering through pork projects and welfare programs.

I agree, it would not solve all the problems with our current election process.

It would clean it up somewhat, at least insofar as ID and buying votes goes. And half a loaf is better than nothing to me.

your idea got alot of support in the gulch. I would argue
1. The romans had a poll tax and it didn't keep them from a welfare state
2. some of the largest proponents of a welfare state (socialism) were the wealthy in England. without psycho-analyzing them, it appears at least in part that they want a static society, because they are already at the top. They want to remain on the top.

It's interesting to think procedurally, but ultimately, the intellectual battle can not be successfully fought with procedure laws.

Thats a given.

Maybe even shrill enough humans can't hear it.


Nah we couldn't get that lucky :P

While I agree, with all the hysteria being raised by Democrats over the Voter ID laws, that one would surely get a shrill response.

It is the same here in Oregon...

Which just goes to show, citizens should take their
responsibilities more seriously

I fervently hope you are wrong.

wherever it occurs, it is wrong, and I believe that
we should focus on the other side's fraud, first!!! -- j

p.s. So Much Fraud, So Little Time!

the Democrats' southern border strategy is already
coming true -- we don't have to wait for the new
illegal youngsters to grow up!!! -- j

The US is probably the only country in the world that does not require some form of identification to vote.

Wow! Thanks, UncommonSense. Having watched the video, I have a take on this from Comrade Citizen, hero of the 60s social revolution.
And Comrade Citizen says:: "Always remember, comrade citizens, that our elite betters, those who tirelessly manipulates the helm of no government like good government, are always looking out for you. How? The end justifies the means. You know that. But do you know how to have a nice day? Don't worry about stuff. That's how."

Several points here.
1. The myth of a right to vote guaranteed by the U.S. constitution must be crushed.
2. Voter fraud IS rampant as evidenced by the recent convictions for vote fraud and the NC ballot fiasco along with Chicago machines changing R to D on votes by a "programming error".

Not only that, but James O'Keefe recently visited Colorado. He found no shortage of foolish people willing to avow--not merely admit, but avow--they cheated by fishing unused ballots out of the trash, and voting them.

I would be perfectly happy if they brought back an across the board poll tax.

1. Would fund better services for an election. Updated readers, more staff, etc.

2 make it very expensive to "buy" votes.

3 will keep the no information voters away

4 effectively requires good id at the polls to pay the tax and receive your ballot

That's really surprising. I think we should make it harder in general to vote. That self-styled "plutocrat" guy wouldn't be a plutocrat if it weren't for votes swayed by ads. I suspect (not researched at all) that voters swayed by ads would also be likely not to vote if it were more difficult.

yes, natural, organic...

I'll make the real bacon bits to sprinkle on top. MMmmm. Bacon. Wholesome, natural, green. lol.

making it now...with real butter

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-s9PkuiI...

Here you go. Got popcorn?

hey-code from Venezuela? got a link to send us to? interesting...

Of course! Why else (besides the carrier agent of infectious diseases) would the rogue fed's blatantly let the illegals cross the border in 2014?

That coupled with the electronic voting machines in which the code is from Venezuala, it's a gaurantee they will decide the outcome. Just my .02.

I agree that it is possible that both sides cheat but I do believe the right to be people where honor still matters and I do not believe that to be true on the left. If that is the case then I believe there is much less cheating on the right. Maybe I am wrong.

Pennsylvania is a blue state. I am guessing both sides cheat but I am reminded of the story told about the 1960 election. When Kennedy beat Nixon by such a slim margin his team suggested contesting the election. Nixon asked what would their argument be "they cheated better than we did? Let it go."

it's really bad in Colorado now. The voting is by MAIL. what happened is me, myself and I are voting for me, even if I'm not a citizen, or alive or even ...me