Yale Professor Embarrassed To Discover Tea Party Members Scientifically More Literate
"But then again, I don't know a single person who identifies with the Tea Party. All my impressions come from watching cable tv -- & I don't watch Fox News very often -- and reading the "paper" (New York Times daily, plus a variety of politics-focused internet sites like Huffington Post & Politico)."
He would have known if he'd visited this site-
He would have known if he'd visited this site-
I note that in accordance with the canon of science, he admitted that the results were not what he expected.
Finally, two aspects must be brought out. First, if the Ivy Leaguers are a bunch of slack-brained communists and post modernists, why would we care what any one of them said. Second, if you applaud the work, then the assumption of intellectual bankruptcy in the Ivies must then be questioned.
I used to to scratch my head over statistics showing the more left leaning the more scientifically literate. The conclusion I come to is the IB you talk about-this idea of science and engineering as "plug and chug." That's the way we teach math in schools after all. Don't learn to think for yourself. Plenty of scientists can do their job everyday, no more philosophically self-aware than someone who sits in front of the TV all day. As well, one tends to support policies that elevates their industry, whatever that may be.
Many problems - from statics (why a bridge holds) and dynamics (forces on turbines) to fluid mechanics and thermodynamics are written in such a way that the student who falls back on "plug and chug" does more work than the one who understands the problem.
Thinking for yourself means finding an elegant solution. It does not mean launching a libertarian tirade against the Keynesian assumptions of Engineering Finance and Economics -- though that kind of understanding about the material consequences of inflation might help the actual
practitioner.
Most of engineering is applied 19th century physics. Even electrical engineering - which does apply field theory - and even electronics - which does apply quantum mechanics - are direct applications of objective science. In that, the undergraduate studies must of necessity reward intelligence and devalue "plug and chug."
I had a couple of criminology classes with a guy whose sister could not find a job in aeronautical engineering. "What?? Why not??" I asked. He replied "C-plus average."
Plug and chug just does not cut the mustard in engineering.
Materials (vital to civil engineering) was an interesting intersection of chemistry, physics, and mathematics. A practicing civil engineer need not know much about bonding angles and alloy composition when the problem before him is simply a question of compressive or tensile forces. He can follow traditional construction standards, or consult a database of materials by desired property to choose appropriate materials.
Far too many of my fellow students in Materials earned passing grades without any real comprehension of the subject. It would be frightening to contemplate how many are now practicing civil, mechanical, and even aerospace engineers, if not for the reality that, in industry, they mostly take a free ride on the backs of the true geniuses that came before them.
It doesn't surprise me at all that Tea Party-goers would demonstrate higher scientific comprehension. Having read Andrew Breitbart's description of Tea Parties from the inside (in Righteous Indignation), they sound like the only kind of party worth going to. They seem to be a sanctuary from the sort of irrational and unsubstantiated criticisms that cause great thinkers to abstain from vocalizing their opinions in polite PC company. A safe haven for earnest rational debate and discussion without the intrusion of the smoke and mirrors of charismatic liberals who shamelessly excel at the art of subtle subversion of credibility by implying that one might be a touch racist or a tad bit sexist or mildly homophobic or unconsciously Islamaphobic.
In fairness, employers encourage that attitude.
There are plenty of engineers who are not working with 19th century physics but of course plenty who do. paths of least resistance
"... the reality is, many engineers try not to learn more than they have to..."
Do you have a statistically valid poll or are you just pontificating?
My husband would also say that he has worked with lots of engineers who are some of the most creative people we have ever met and many of whom are brilliant.
I went to a high school focused on liberal arts. I was disappointed there wasn't an engineering-focused high school. I never thought I would use writing. Now I sometimes earn more per hour writing than engineering.
I wanted to study physics, but I was afraid it wouldn't be as useful. It was my first choice if earning money didn't matter. EE was my second choice, so I got BS and MS in EE.
My masters focused on communication theory. A lot is happening in that area b/c there's an explosion of mobile wireless.
I went to the IB, which was a great program: http://www.ibo.org/diploma/.
Then I went to a state college, where I coasted for two years and developed lazy habits.
It led me to think one of the biggest problems in education is quantifying it. All high schools are no the same, so there should be some way of quantifying where you are so you get into the right place at the next step.
You have a powerful point about maybe being good at plugging and chugging could be correlate with ideology. My guess is people who like rote learning would be drawn to the authoritarian elements in either left or right ideology.
I find a disproportional number of engineers lean libertarian. I suspect the libertarian streak comes from engineers being used to being outsiders. Tthose of us who have worked in large corporations see a lot of chest thumping, histrionics, and general political baloney. I have the seen engineers become jaded and basically make the chest thumping managers _beg_ the engineer to make something work b/c the engineer is angry someone less intelligent is running things. Engineers look at politicians, see Dilbert's pointy-haired boss, and think, "you guys are fighting over the who gets to be the coolest kid in the world, while we're doing the actual work that makes things run."
hmm-on the outsider thing. I always thought of it as exceptional. I only dated engineers in college. lol
I saw the same effects in other "operating" departments, especially shipping and receiving. I figure that the loading dock should be considered buyers and sellers, actual entities, not a mere cost to be limited.
For most of humanity, it is not.
Thus, the market rewards those who cater to the lowest common denominator.
An open and unregulated market will reward others, also.
But no one ever lost money underestimating the intelligence of the average person.
See
http://necessaryfacts.blogspot.com/2012/...
and
http://necessaryfacts.blogspot.com/2011/...
and
http://necessaryfacts.blogspot.com/2012/...
no one is suggesting that engineers should be in charge of every aspect of business. However, their contributions should be accounted for accurately in a business. Inventors create the most wealth for the world. period.
“A slightly higher proportion of American adults qualify as scientifically literate than European or Japanese adults, but the truth is that no major industrial nation in the world today has a sufficient number of scientifically literate adults,” he said. “We should take no pride in a finding that 70 percent of Americans cannot read and understand the science section of the New York Times.”
Approximately 28 percent of American adults currently qualify as scientifically literate, an increase from around 10 percent in the late 1980s and early 1990s, according to Miller's research."
http://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/200...
Just to note, the differences in scores (28% here and 20% from Kahan) are because of different test standards. Kahan used an NSF metric, I believe.
My wife and I have been interviewed on two separate occasions, as have other local Tea Party people, by a Yale sociology grad student who is doing her doctoral thesis on the Tea Party.
but we're some sort of sociological anomaly? what kinds of questions did the student ask?
Questions like:
what does the movement represent to us?
what are the concerns which motivate us to be active?
“"Of course, I still subscribe to my various political and moral assessments--all very negative-- of what I understand the "Tea Party movement" to stand for.”
What’s with the of course? How about reconsider your position and do some more experiments?
http://www.motherjones.com/mojo/2013/10/...
The variances are small. Mother Jones allows that libertarians are better at mathematics than most people.
It is generally arrogance by the "educated" brie eating, chardonay swilling, elitists that don't get this fact. In any argument between TP and these folks usually end up with the Progressives resorting to foul language and name calling because their arguments are so shallow and of little substance.
Take away the 30 second soundbite and these folks (including the left-wing college professors) are woefully under-educated, and it shows!
Did he actually read Saul Alinsky's "Rules for Radicals" to see what Obama was about - or Hillary's 92-page thesis glorifying Alinsky? Does he know about UN Agenda 21, and the pseudo-science in it which will be used to end property rights in the US - with Obama behind it. Get out of the Ivory Tower bud, and check out some facts, that is what Tea Party participants are doing.