Global Jihad vs Islam Enlightenment

Posted by khalling 10 years, 10 months ago to Philosophy
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A religion is to a great extent a construct of its adherents. It consists of the beliefs, values, priorities, assumptions, and expectations shared by those adherents and reinforced by their culture and institutions. Academics arguing that particular acts of violence and repression are not condoned by the Koran do not negate the fact that millions of Muslims still believe they are.


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  • Posted by Robbie53024 10 years, 10 months ago in reply to this comment.
    I agree totally. And believe that he might be the greatest hope to avert a global war breaking out in the next 10 yrs.
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  • Posted by DrZarkov99 10 years, 10 months ago in reply to this comment.
    Al-Sisi has been an observer of how destructive extremist behavior has been to Egypt for some time, and has expressed the view that Islam badly needs a Christian-like Reformation. I think he realizes the impact a national leaders statements have on encouraging reform (and it will take courage to reform Islam), so it isn't likely he would invite internal strife just to fool naive Westerners.
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  • Posted by 10 years, 10 months ago in reply to this comment.
    I understand at least some of what the religion teaches. I am more interested in the millions of muslims who do not commit jihad. what are you suggesting? we round them all up and stick them in a camp? I understand fighting terrorists, but I also see what we have accomplished since the wars in the middle east began. a trillion dollars and 10s of thousands of lost US lives. even as we claimed victory we allowed them to set up religious govts that did not promote social or economic freedom. we are in the running stretch for a new president. Jeb or Hillary-any confidence they will win a war on terror? no? well, that's ok-you still advocated for it over focusing on winning your freedoms back. a war against ISIS and moslims all over the world will be a huge fail. you can't even win the battle of ideas in your own city and state, let alone the U. S. of A. but watch as we send troops to Europe. see what freedoms the french will now lose over this attack...then Germany as we help. we continue to head toward Great Britain where you can be jailed for publishing cartoons like that....who is the REAL enemy?
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  • Posted by RevJay4 10 years, 10 months ago in reply to this comment.
    Or, is he seeing the handwriting on the wall and lying to the world to gain the non-muslim trust? Following the Koran's dictates to do what is needed to subdue the infidels until the time is right.
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  • Posted by RevJay4 10 years, 10 months ago in reply to this comment.
    It means I took the time to get an affiliation with a recognized organization to perform various civil ceremonies for those who wanted same without the overbearing requirements imposed by some religions. You know, the ones who say a Baptist can't marry a Catholic without jumping through all sorts of hoops, or vice versa.
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  • Posted by RevJay4 10 years, 10 months ago in reply to this comment.
    Angry? Not so much. Just fed up with the pussy-footing around the issue of who is and who is not a jihadist. The Koran instructs its believers to lie to infidels to get their trust, then kill them or dominate them. The object of the religion(?) is to dominate the world in a violent manner by eliminating all who will not submit to its dictates. In my mind, I say it is up to the "moderate" muslims in these countries to control their more violent brethren to stop the senseless violence of innocents in the rest of the world. Haven't seen any of that yet.
    The "10s of thousands of persecuted people" you mention are slowly being eliminated by the practitioners of Islam. If this continues, there will be no persecuted people left in the geographic areas considered to be Muslim.
    Read the Koran, K. See what you find. Or, better yet, see the comment by "Temlakos" below.
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  • Posted by 10 years, 10 months ago in reply to this comment.
    I don't see this kind of response in here against the environmentalists. They are responsible for Waaaay more deaths of humans. They openly promote population control. They started and support Planned Parenthood. No one is screaming to nuke them.
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  • Posted by $ AJAshinoff 10 years, 10 months ago in reply to this comment.
    Dark Ages referred to the Fall of Rome and the technological loss, no? Now the Inquisition...
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  • Posted by dbhalling 10 years, 10 months ago in reply to this comment.
    Right you are going to stop an intellectual movement by annihilating them. Name one case where that has worked in history?

    What about people being individuals?

    If you want to advocate the Barbary pirates solution, then you have an argument. This solution starts from a principled place and argument but then says our people will not suffer violence without overwhelming retaliatory force. However, this is not annihilation.
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  • Posted by 10 years, 10 months ago in reply to this comment.
    hi martimus. I am not religious. I find all religions irrational. Not all islamists are killing people. nor do all islamists promote the killing of "infidels". If I broad-brushed all anti-rational thinkers, all mystical thinkers as my enemy that would be pretty dumb. I want to see where we agree. I want Enlightenment for Muslims. It came for Christians. It can come for other religions. Basically I promote reason and logic. I do not ever agree to faith based concepts. I'm pretty surprised by the blood-thirsty response of my Christian friends on this post.
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  • Posted by Maritimus 10 years, 10 months ago in reply to this comment.
    Hello, K,
    Don't you think that by now all Muslims can be considered suspect of irrational hatred of non-Muslims, unless they convince you by their actions and convincing communications that they oppose the jihadists? It is certainly un-American to think that anybody is guilty until proven innocent. But Islam is un-American at its core. Have you read the Koran? I did. In my considered opinion it is an evil book. So, the Muslims who wish to disassociate themselves from fundamental Islam will have to deny parts of Koran. Just as Christians did keep only selections from the Bible. As we know, that took centuries. The need to prevent massacres by Muslims is urgent, needed right now. What do we choose.?
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  • Posted by conscious1978 10 years, 10 months ago in reply to this comment.
    Excellent points, Jan. Bible followers have not made a practice of beheading people much since the exploration of the New World; in recent times, marginal Bible followers seem to prefer 'koolaid', sex slaves, and building utopias.

    The lynch mobs and stoning crowds should back off the 'group think' mentality, park their nukes back in the shed, and Think about how to target force at Individuals initiating it.
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  • Posted by 10 years, 10 months ago in reply to this comment.
    There are 10s of thousands of persecuted people in those geographic areas. Your comment is inflammatory and not well thought out. minus 1
    I understand we are all angry here and I am not against force. you cannot kill everyone who practices Islam.. pitchforks down please and reasoned debate and ideas first!
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  • Posted by 10 years, 10 months ago in reply to this comment.
    "since I was raised next to a community of syrian arabs and was quite friendly with many..."

    wiggys, your first hand perspective would be an interesting post. consider it.
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  • Posted by 10 years, 10 months ago in reply to this comment.
    There has not been one ....yet. BUt it did happen for the Christians, for example. We did leave the Dark Ages after all..
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  • Posted by RevJay4 10 years, 10 months ago in reply to this comment.
    I imagine those countries as rodent nests already. Call the exterminator! Infestation afoot.
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  • Posted by wiggys 10 years, 10 months ago in reply to this comment.
    from your perspective the argument has no end, but from mine since I was raised next to a community of syrian arabs and was quite friendly with many i also observed what happened to them as they aged and became very clannish and removed from the rest of american society and all by choice to an isolated inner circle. I noted how their thought process functioned etc. Sure each person is an individual but the difference between each of them is infinitely small. i have also read about how things were in ancient history but the christians did leave the dark ages and they are as we know them today. the muslims versus all arabs since many are christian simply do not want to change; get educated and all that goes with it. i am quite sure that what we are seeing all over the world in antisocial behavior by them will continue so long as people believe they can be educated. In that education they will have to be shown that the koran is not in their best interests as humans. since i believe they are not they will continue to function as they have been. in this case the mighty pen is being attacked by bullets so the people using the pens versus bullets had better wake up and soon. no matter how you look at it we are in a religious war and they have shown to be the most vicious.
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