1114 People Killed By Police in 2014

Posted by khalling 10 years, 9 months ago to Culture
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1. Up 30% from 2013 even though violent crime is at record lows
2. 58 officers were killed by violent assault
, roughly 50% of all officer deaths in 2014.


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  • Posted by woodlema 10 years, 9 months ago in reply to this comment.
    If you have ever taken any "Quality control" classes courses or training you would recognize that with a margin of error of .0098%, you are close to reaching that Six Sigma perfection with is 99.999% flawless.

    How about letting the courst do their jobs and ferret out the mistakes, and recognize that we need to be focusing time effort and enrgy on REAL problems where we can get a big BANG for the buck in fixing problems. Like drunk teenagers who are responsible for far more deaths, injuries and cost to our society than the miniscule number of potentially racist cops,.

    Even with flaws in Law enforcement you are still so close to that 99.999% Six Sigma perfect, that indicates you do NOT NEED TO FIX something that is NOT BROKEN.
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  • Posted by dansail 10 years, 9 months ago
    The website does not seem to present anything more than simple facts. Each incident is a different event with its own set of circumstances. Apparently, the information provided is not explained by the site owner, but it could point out all sorts of things going on.
    1) The killings are the result of those who feel they can behave violently and continue what they're doing, whether the police are around or not. Ultimately, they're going to encounter superior firepower when the police radio for backup.
    2) The increase of the number may be due to the fact that there are increased numbers of people who disregard the law and feel violence is justifiable.
    3) Perhaps the police are reacting with greater prejudice out of concern for their own lives. They do have a very difficult job that persistently puts them in harm's way.
    Most likely it is a combination of the above and eventually cooler heads will prevail. Even Ayn Rand felt that lawlessness will never benefit a country and that originating force exerted by anyone or any organization should be put down by authority.
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  • Posted by woodlema 10 years, 9 months ago
    Let's add some more interesting information.
    FBI Statistics 2013:
    http://www.fbi.gov/about-us/cjis/ucr/cri...
    11,302,102 Arrests in 2013.
    That is a percentage of .0098% of arrests translate to a death by officer assuming that these deaths occur while an officer is trying to arrest someone.
    Now if you decide to add ALL times where police are responding to something then that percentage is even lower.
    Seems to me they have a really good record there.

    Now let us look at another profession and make a comparison:

    The medical profession.
    http://www.cdc.gov/nchs/fastats/inpatien...
    The CDC estimates approximately 51.4 million procedures performed per year in the USA.
    http://www.scientificamerican.com/articl...
    The Scientific American estimates that 210,000 people die every year during and/or from surgery and specifically medical mistakes.
    That is .408% chance you will die from a mistake by a medical professional with numerous years of higher education.
    You are FAR, FAR more likely to die at the hands an incompetent doctor, or one that made an "oopsie" than a cop anytime of the day or year. Then lets add, for the most part YOU MUST BE DOING SOMETHING WRONG or at least wonky to be "engaged by a cop."
    Time to STOP picking on cops and let them do their jobs.
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  • Posted by Esceptico 10 years, 9 months ago in reply to this comment.
    Check your premises. As an ex-cop and a prosecutor in two states, I can tell you many things that do happen are not reported or not reported accurately. Remember, as LeFavre pointed out, government starts out protecting the many from the few and ends up protecting itself from everyone. Nonetheless, I said I am sure the majority of killings by police are probably justified, whatever the number may be. However, I think all the killings should be reported---especially in this age of the militarization of the police. Police enjoy arresting people for anything. The NYPD example of killing the guy selling cigarettes is only one sample. Thank science for videos or that one would have been swept under the rug.
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  • Posted by fivedollargold 10 years, 9 months ago
    1) Violent crime is at record lows. 2) More dead crooks = fewer trials = $$$ saved. 3) Win-win!
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  • Posted by Abaco 10 years, 9 months ago
    Stats or no...there is one facet that continues to bother me. There have been several cases over the past few years (that happened to make the news) where murder charges should have been applied and cops should have gone to jail, but they were acquitted or never charged. My personal favorite is the case of Kelly Thomas, Fullerton, CA. That was an incredible gang-style attack on a small, handcuffed guy. They caved his face in and crushed his windpipe as he screamed for his dad. Acquitted. In my town the cops shot a guy in the head as he sat cuffed in the back of a squad car. I have a problem with that. It's that cops can get away with such crimes that bothers me. As a society we need to hold these guys accountable. We aren't doing that. Meanwhile, we need to support the good cops. We aren't doing that.
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  • Posted by $ root1657 10 years, 9 months ago in reply to this comment.
    Statistically and logically flawed in every way. Robbie is right, and there can be no extrapolation here. If anything I would assume that all non-reporting agencies had zero, and thus were too busy reporting things that DID happen to take time reporting things that DIDNT happen.
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  • Posted by H6163741 10 years, 9 months ago
    Hmm... I wonder how many of those were committing some sort of violent crime, or were a danger to the officer's life when they were killed?
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  • Posted by Robbie53024 10 years, 9 months ago in reply to this comment.
    They should be compensated at the rate where the proper number of agents with reasonable levels of skills are employed. No more, and no less.
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  • Posted by Robbie53024 10 years, 9 months ago in reply to this comment.
    Whoa, whoa, whoa. Many of those reporting are the larger entities, who have the majority of police involved killings. Most police agencies are relatively small - town, village, small city police and county sheriffs. Most of which have no deaths, so they feel no reason to report a zero. We cannot extrapolate the avg from where those deaths occur onto the agencies where they do not occur.
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  • Posted by Robbie53024 10 years, 9 months ago in reply to this comment.
    That would assume that all police involved deaths are firearms related. Clearly that isn't the case (for instance, one of the sampled reports that I viewed was a police car that t-boned some elderly driver who died - no firearm involved).
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  • Posted by $ blarman 10 years, 9 months ago
    To me, it isn't the total number, it is the circumstances of each death that matters. That and that alone is what we should be drawing trends from.

    The reason I say that is because there was a huge uproar in my city when a teenager got pulled over for speeding and ended up dead. The kid had initially stopped, but refused to cooperate with the officer and ended up attempting to drive off with the officer at his window. He dragged the officer more than 30 feet until the officer shot him and killed him instantly.

    This story was all over the local news for months, but since both the teen and the cop were white, we were spared from hosting Al Sharpton. We had peaceful protests and an investigation, but it all happened peacefully and thankfully ended without any more blood shed.

    My point is that we need to establish how many of these deaths were the product of resisting arrest, etc., and how many were a result of overly aggressive police. Without determining causation and tracking that, we are left with pure speculation - hardly a scientific pursuit.
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  • Posted by Robbie53024 10 years, 9 months ago
    Any unnatural death should be viewed with concern, particularly when it happens at the hands of those entrusted with the societal use of force. However, a quick perusal of just a sampling of the deaths tallied here shows that there are deaths reported where the dead individual was threatening the police with deadly force. In such a situation, it is an acceptable response to return the use of deadly force. I think for a rational discussion, one would first have to categorize these deaths as rational or irrational use of deadly force. Otherwise, we're just railing without logic.
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  • Posted by peterchunt 10 years, 9 months ago
    While useful, I would want the figures verified before trusting. They pale in comparison to the deaths between civilians particularly black on black killings.
    One thing is clear from the recent deaths; waiving a gun, committing a crime or resisting by not obeying an officers instructions, can cause serious bodily injury or death. The police don’t know who you are and can only assume the worst so as to protect their lives. You have nothing to fear if you don’t commit a crime, waive a weapon in front of the police, or disobey them.
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  • Posted by Esceptico 10 years, 9 months ago
    In November I presented a lecture on this subject. The head-scratching part is of almost 17,000 police agencies, a bit less than 400 report. And their number of killings is what has been given as the total police killings. If you take the 400 and then compensate for the 17,000, using the average of the 400 reporting agencies and applying that to the 17,000 agencies who do not report, one quickly realizes the actual number is vastly higher than reported. That, by itself, means nothing. The reality could easily be that the killings are justified. I was the victim of an armed robbery with a gun pressed against my head, and would have no compunction about killing the assailant in the course of the robbery. I had no weapons and the criminals caught me by surprise. The police, faced with a similar threat should shoot.
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  • Posted by Zenphamy 10 years, 9 months ago in reply to this comment.
    Indeed!! The raising of the race issue only serves to detract from the magnitude of the real problem we face with our poling systems.
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  • Posted by Zenphamy 10 years, 9 months ago
    I recently read an article (or posted comment on an article) that Congress directed the DOJ to collect this data as early as 1994, yet the DOJ has only requested the data and it's only voluntary on the part of some 17,000 police agencies across the nation.

    Another comment noted two university researchers that say that the numbers being published to date are from 50% to 100% shy of actual numbers. It just looks like there is no way to come up with the actual numbers.

    But whether it's 1 or 10,000, it's too many unless it's a shootout situation, and way too many of those reported are not. I personally do not wish to support a police state that kills it's citizens. I want suspects brought to a judge and a trial of their peers. I don't want Wild Bill Hickok and Wyatt Earp out there 'resolving' these issues for us--that's not the jobs they are hired for.

    I prefer the cop to be dressed in a clown outfit (with the floppy shoes and big nose) riding in a clown car and the only weapon he has is a squirt daisy pinned to his clown tie.
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  • Posted by LetsShrug 10 years, 9 months ago in reply to this comment.
    I think too many distrust for the wrong reasons. Instead of race issues, why not notice what the gov is taking from ALL of us. Freedoms. They're militarizing the police for a reason, and it has nothing to do with race and everything do with force.
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  • Posted by 10 years, 9 months ago in reply to this comment.
    yes, there is truth in what you are saying. But I also see a large distrust. When the majority of your working citizens are paying 40-50% of their earnings....and those not working....
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  • Posted by LetsShrug 10 years, 9 months ago in reply to this comment.
    The same reason that NOTHING is the same as our childhood. Personally I blame it all on the gov enabling and rewarding bad behavior by throwing freebies at every possible difficulty one my might have in their life, whether it's self made or not, all in the name of "helping those less fortunate". It breeds entitled, angry, hostile, dependent attitudes, that blame everything and everybody except themselves... which has born this economic inequality movement, occupy wall street garbage. Throw in some liberal indoctrination in public ed (sprinkled with some white guilt and revisionist history and you've created a movement.) They have riots and crap on cop cars in the park as they trash the place and THEY GET A WAY WITH IT. And all of that behavior boils down to a lack of a rational philosophy based in self responsibility. And here we are. The cops become jaded...which is no excuse to ignore the Constitution of course, but heck, I'm practically a hermit and I hate most people I encounter. (Including some "public servants" I've had to interact with on occasion.) And why are in here slapping me around... how's that son of yours??
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  • Posted by 10 years, 9 months ago in reply to this comment.
    why is this a new data to collect? it's like saying we've been asleep and now it's so in our face we are asking for data. that means to me, we've got a problem Houston
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  • Posted by 10 years, 9 months ago in reply to this comment.
    I think those who have to deal with the most violent element among us, should be highly compensated for their skill and danger. That population is concentrated. Police deal with the general populace. Yes they come into contact with violent criminals. The problem is they are being trained to treat all of us as though we aer potential violent criminals. that is not the police officer of my childhood. why is that?
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