Oil strikers. I read this and still don't get it.

Posted by LetsShrug 10 years, 2 months ago to Business
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Does anybody have the skinny on this?


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  • Posted by jimslag 10 years, 2 months ago
    The key here was the point that they did not fault the contractors but that there would be fewer jobs for the members of the Steelworkers Union. As Zenphamy noted, they want to control everything about the plant. Not just their work but everything including how it is run. I am now a member of the IBEW and have been for 10 years, not by choice but because I had to join to get the job. I also was in the US Navy and had to deal with unions at the Naval Shipyards. So, the Steelworkers think they can afford to do it now because the economy is improving, at least according to O and his minions. Maybe in DC but out here, outside the Beltway, everyone knows that it still has a long way to go.
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  • Posted by teri-amborn 10 years, 2 months ago
    Dear LS:
    My guess is that the Union members are noticing things that management are completely blind to and the "grievances" are the only way that they know how to express themselves collectively.
    Unless there is a middle-man to help management to understand and address their concerns they have been indoctrinated into thinking that a strike is the only recourse.
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  • Posted by woodlema 10 years, 2 months ago
    Workers Unions are "Anti-Capitalist" and "Anti--Objectivist" PERIOD.

    Unions are 100% collectivist.

    Jobs DO NOT belong to the workers, Jobs BELONG to and are the sole property of the "business" or "business-owner."
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  • Posted by Temlakos 10 years, 2 months ago in reply to this comment.
    In other words, rent-seeking. Any large organization will engage in it. Especially when their value added falls to zero.
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  • Posted by fivedollargold 10 years, 2 months ago
    Fivedollargold is neither pro nor anti-union. As long as neither side gets violent, just leave them alone to hash it out. Public sector unions, if allowed at all, need strict limitations on what can be negotiated and what actions are considered legal, e.g., strikes.
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  • Posted by Zenphamy 10 years, 2 months ago
    I've worked with the Steel Workers in facilities before and it's very different than in their construction projects. They always insist on staffing issues and on having control of who or how many outside hires (contracts) are let into their plants. It's always been one of their biggest issues and their arguments have remained the same for at least 40 years. They even resist other unions having any work in their plants, i.e. IBEW. They were even on the contractor approval board for one of the plants I worked in making plant decisions on whether an outside contractor, union or not, was required for the project or not.
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  • Posted by Robbie53024 10 years, 2 months ago in reply to this comment.
    There seemed to be some safety concerns. Whether they are legit or not, I couldn't say. But since they aren't pushing for increased wages, or directly for more of their own workers (seems they are pushing for maintenance staff), this might have a basis of rationality to it.
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  • Posted by $ jbrenner 10 years, 2 months ago in reply to this comment.
    A good place to get daily updates on the oil business is through OilPro Daily. I get their daily newsletter, as about 20% of my students go that route.
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  • Posted by $ jbrenner 10 years, 2 months ago in reply to this comment.
    You didn't miss much that was a legit grievance. They realize that their jobs can now be undercut by foreign competition.
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  • Posted by 10 years, 2 months ago in reply to this comment.
    Lol... Okay fine. Stable wasnt the right word. (Insert horse whiney here). They made it sound like the economy was getting better... who's believing that racket? I don't think is going to end well for unions. And it shouldn't. Did I miss legit grievances in there??
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    Posted by $ jbrenner 10 years, 2 months ago in reply to this comment.
    The economy IS stable now, stable as in dormant. It has grown at a rate of about 0% for eight years now. Time to shrug.
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  • Posted by 10 years, 2 months ago in reply to this comment.
    It might bite them..... I loved the part about the economy being stable now so now is the time. Wow. I also wonder about the domino affect.
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