How To Be A Better Objectivist

Posted by MikeRael 11 years, 11 months ago to Education
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A few days ago I began reading the book "Releasing" by Patricia Carrington in its 2007 incarnation. It teaches folks how to release on the *overpush* of emotionality that tends to block one's thinking and acting. I was able to use it to deepen my emotionality, to feel more satisfied with what I had in life, and to do more things generally. As I understand Objectivism, much of it seems to be focused on not letting one's emotions get in the way of one's thinking or actions. I am so enthused about this book that I'm thinking eventually of running workshops where I live or by phone about this process of learning to let go. Since I'm training myself in this area, I thought it might be worthwhile and fun as well to have a free workshop for member's of Galt's Gulch. I'm thinking of a once/week workshop over the phone. No charge of any sort, except for your own phone charges if you don't have unlimited service. I'd appreciate it if interested folks would please email me at mikerael50@yahoo.com Since I'm a fairly friendly guy, I figure this will also be a chance for us to get know another better as well:) Mike


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  • Posted by $ MikeMarotta 11 years, 11 months ago
    Actually, Objectivism says that your emotions are a consequence of your thinking. Obviously, an infant's emotions precede its thinking in any formal sense. However, as the child grows - quickly! - its improved cognition determines its emotional expressions. What you like, what you fear, how you express those, they all are instant summations of your thoughts, or lack of them.

    Perhaps the only emotional primary is self-esteem. In that, I mean that self-esteem derives from your evaluation of your ACTIONS. People do grow up lacking self-esteem. Parents, school, church, etc., all work against it. However, at some point, those who seek it and find it do so in two stages. First, they reject the implicit message they never questioned - the unearned guilt. Then, they make themselves in their own image. That comes from ACTIONS in the real world. The self-evaluation of efficacy is earned.

    Note, however, that those early emotions of guilt and shame are summations of ideas. The ideas must come first.

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    • Posted by MikeJoyous 11 years, 11 months ago
      Hi Mike,
      While emotions may begin as a result of thinking, once you have an emotion, it can affect one's ability to think, to act, or to feel. That's what Carrington's "releasing" is about. Eliminating the tendency to want so much that it has a negative effect on overall function.
      Think of it this way: we all have some immediate ability to let go, if we have a troubling feeling. For example, imagine that I get hysterical about paying a bill. Then I suddenly think, "Gee, aren't I getting too hyper about this?" Then the hysteria goes. I'm still left with a troubling bill, but my thinking is much calmer, freer, to deal with it.
      The problem is that folks don't know how to release when they need to. That's what my proposed workshop is about.
      Since you talk about actions, Mike, I am interested in exploring those kinds of mental and emotional actions that diminish the overpush of wanting too much. Since these actions tend to produce less compulsivity and a deeper sense of harmony between one's self and the external universe, one's self-esteem goes up:)
      Best wishes, amigo,
      Mike Rael, MS
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      • Posted by $ MikeMarotta 11 years, 11 months ago
        Thanks for the reply. Yes, I agree. It is obvious that strong emotions prevent rational thought. That is why the men whom we call heroes say that it is not a matter of not being afraid, but of not letting fear take control. On a more mundane level, we are told that it is good to express anger, to get it out, to vent it. In fact, the opposite is true. And, as you say, a simple trigger can get you out of that paralysis and into a rational frame of mind.
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        • Posted by MikeRael101 11 years, 11 months ago
          Hi Mike: Good to see ya:) I am not sure I agree with you about expressing one's anger as not having value. I have found that, once I let my anger go, sometimes I find that the situation requires my expressing anger. But that expression tends, at least within me, to be then an effort at communication, of clearing the air, not one of hurting the other person by, say, nasty words. Actually, so far at any rate, Mike, when I let go my anger, what tends to emerge is warm feelings and the larger context of the relationship. Still, I could imagine that anger would still be waiting to be let out--except that, as you mentioned, it would be *far* more subject to rational thought rather than pure anger. I'm talking about ordinary situations, Mike. In special therapy situations, I have seen Branden encourage the expression of anger that was held under wraps between husband and wife--and expressing that raw anger led to an immediate surge of intimacy!
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  • Posted by Lucky 11 years, 11 months ago
    What do you do when you have strong emotions which are clearly harmful? One school says release them as in 'the expression of anger'. This is the response of a tempermental child, a tantrum. If this leads to any beneficial response such as ' an immediate surge of intimacy', it gives no credit to the other person, and it encourages further tantrums. As Rand says the person one loves reflects our values.
    Better to recognize it ASAP, then 'release' as in letting off an excess of steam with a control valve. Better still, nullify by ignoring.

    Then, improve your thinking.
    MM says here, " Objectivism says that your emotions are a consequence of your thinking." Yes indeed.

    There is one possible use for expressing bad emotions such as anger, that is,
    when it is false. Then you are consciously in control and using it to influence. Even then it is reprehensible, it works on the non-thinking and less emotionally mature.
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    • Posted by Hiraghm 11 years, 11 months ago
      Next time you need to drive a nail, put the hammer down and strike it with your fist.

      What? You think that foolish? Why? It's precisely what you're advocating; refusing to use an appropriate tool in an appropriate situation.

      An expression of anger is a good thing. When a bully is pushing the weak kid around the playground, and the weak kid fights back... he won't "reason" his way into fighting back. If he thinks about it, he'll continue to be bullied, because the bully isn't interested in reason.
      No, he gets angry, and the anger empowers him to knock the bully on his ass. Problem solved.

      Vulcans were a species of idiots. They suppressed their emotions, they did NOT control them. Controlling anger, for example, is chewing out whoever is angering you. Controlling anger is hitting the nail harder. As opposed to killing whoever is angering you or bashing the piece you're trying to drive the nail into.

      Emotions exist for a reason; learn to live with them, don't hide from them, and don't let them be your master.
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      • Posted by MikeJoyous 11 years, 11 months ago
        Hiraghm,
        When do you experience bullying nowadays? As an adult, I experienced it once at USC due to a professor who was quite competent at teaching but who did not learn at that time what it meant to be a good person. Other than that, I don't recall experiencing bullying in my everyday life. How about you?
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    • Posted by MikeJoyous 11 years, 11 months ago
      Hi Lucky:) First off, I don't say that the methods of Carrington and the methods I am currently developing will work all the time for all people. My intuition, though, whispers to me that about 80% of the time or better, when learning the various tactics of releasing both Carrington and of myself, the problem will be better than before. Often, in my experience at least, *much* better!
      Anyways, do begin answering your question, Lucky, first you have to learn what releasing is and that it is natural to man. Next, if the emotion is very strong, I might begin by wanting to release only 1% of the emotion. The first way to do that sounds paradoxical, I know, but it is not contradictory. You ask yourself: Could I let go of 1% of my desire to rid myself of this anger? If you still have trouble releasing, you might change the question in this way:
      Though it is perfectly reasonable to not want to feel this strong anger, could I let go of 1% of my desire to get rid of my anger? The ultimate reasoning behind this lies in the nature of emotional psychology. In the realm of emotionality, what you resist persists. If you can lower the urge to push away anger, even very slightly, that opens the door to a deeper acceptance of anger. In turn that permits the anger to run through your body and eventually flow out of it. That's what I teach in releasing. That's what I have used in my own life to dramatically change the quality of anger I have had--and for the better! About equating the release of strong emotions with tantrums: first, please be clear that this is not the kind of releasing I practice or teach (though I have found a symbolic expression of raw anger to be of help sometimes when put into a mental vision with the purpose of lowering my appetite!) I do not teach the deepest expression of anger because I have not been trained to know when is the best time to do so. The expression of anger by a couple in the presence of a trained psychologist is the opposite of giving vent to a tantrum. You are in the presence of someone who knows what to do to change things should that particular exercise not prove helpful to the participants. In any case, as mentioned, I do not engage in that work because I have not been trained to do it properly. There is no such thing as a bad emotion. Emotions, as Rand and Branden have said, are associated, in part, with the thinking one does or one does not do. One's past thinking might contain germs of knowledge not otherwise obtainable *without* experiencing that emotion. Reason, though, is the only means we have of *knowing* that the ideas that come to light when we experience an emotion properly (as when they are appropriately released) are, in fact, "knowledge."
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    • Posted by $ MikeMarotta 11 years, 11 months ago
      If you are interested in a deeper discussion, then see MikeReal's "Introduction" under Education. A lot is going on here. We all seem to mean different things by "releasing" and "expressing." You can say by identification, "I feel angry" without actually throwing a tantrum. On the other hand, denying anger, repressing it, does not make it go away. You just get headaches or ulcers or depression or some other expression. My experience in politics is that a strong external focus on national and world problems really is an expression of something deeper. One of my hobbies is numismatics; and for about six months last year, my wife and I played weekly "Dungeons and Dragons." We both work in IT. In all of these I meet a lot of people who focus on things other than their internal selves. Over the years, in addition to the works of Nathaniel Branden, I have taken classes in yoga and taichi. I see these all as tools - just as a carpenter needs more than a hammer.
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      • Posted by MikeJoyous 11 years, 11 months ago
        Hi Mike,
        I agree wholeheartedly with you about yoga or tai chi. I have checked out Spring Forest Qi Gong (pronounced "chee gong"). put out by Learning Strategies. It is one of the very few of the oriental exercises that has had clear beneficial physical consequences. The explicitly stated philosophy I don't like for a variety of reasons, and for that reason I don't use the DVD I have of it. However, as you say, it is only one more tool available to me. If I had a serious illness, I'd put in the DVD and devote myself to it while ignoring the obvious fallacies of the philosophy.
        When you talk about your experience in politics, you make me think of Harry Browne's contention ("How I Became Free In An Unfree World") that many folks in politics are seeking for external solutions to their problems instead of looking at how they might be responsible for sustaining those problems themselves!
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      • Posted by Lucky 11 years, 11 months ago
        Well Mike, there is something wrong with,
        ' denying anger, repressing it, does not make it go away.'
        I prefer your statements,
        1. 'On a more mundane level, we are told that it is good to express anger, to get it out, to vent it. In fact, the opposite is true.'
        2. ' your emotions are a consequence of your thinking'.
        and
        3, ' not letting fear take control'.

        What is wrong is the use of words 'deny' and 'repress' here. The victim, the person experiencing this destructive and unpleasant anger or whatever emotion it is, should neither confirm nor deny. They should just, let it go. The analogy is to look at yourself from outside and visualize the steam being released. You do not need it. It no good, you put it there, let it go. It is nothing. When a person has this anger, such thinking may not be possible unless they have the training, the attitude if you like, an outlook by which the mind can take control. Part of this is to understand the issue, then think about how to deal with it, and if cool, do it.
        Did John Galt get angry?
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        • Posted by $ MikeMarotta 11 years, 11 months ago
          John Galt never got angry, but Ayn Rand certainly did: recorded as fact. I think that you and I are in agreement, but only using different words to express a somewhat different approach to the same problem. It can be pretty easy to learn to dispel an emotion, but you still need to explore the reason for the emotion. Again, see mikereal's Introduction under "Education." This could be a helpful tool.
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          • Posted by MikeJoyous 11 years, 11 months ago
            Rand got more than angry, Mike. Look at the way folks closest to her were excommunicated, one after the other!
            I find that, in the process of trying out different ways to release my feelings, I get totally different ideas about what provoked the feelings in the first place. This is definitely not the forum to share such. I'll gladly share when a number of us get together in the tele-class I'll be creating soon.
            Actually, according to Branden, the lack of expression of emotionality by the heroes of AS was a weakness. I tend to go along with it because I actually observed in his therapy groups that some Objectivists believed that they had to tamp emotions down, as by repressing them, because that is how the AS heroes seemed to act.
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            • Posted by Lucky 11 years, 11 months ago
              Thanks for the good points, yes AS heroes are too busy to express emotions. A criticism is that they have put aside their humanity by self-repression. I'm thinking about Reardon. In the book and the film, when he was confronted by the SSI negotiator to give up his patents his face dropped, he picked up the pen and signed. He got on with life. Consider Sheryl Brooks, when she found the truth about James Taggert all she could do was kill herself. Yes you could say that was the result of repressed emotion. Should she have confronted JT with a screaming match? She may have lived and recovered, surely there would have been better responses?
              That chapter with the torture in AS is tricky. Galt is able to turn off. It is JT who disintegrates.
              It may be said that tears are the proper first response for women, for men punch bags. My point is, then what? There is no substitute for rationality.
              Elsewhere H asks, what do I do when I hit my thumb with a hammer? The punch bag, kick the dog, screaming, tears, may help to get circulation going, or not, but if the event is not taken as a learning experience it will be repeated. The second time it happens, skip those preliminaries, put the thumb in ice or patch up the cut. Then think hard about the tools, the attitude, the concentration, the practice needed to do the job right.
              Back to Rand's heroes. If Rand is promoting 'Do as I say not as I do', well ok by me (and the dog).
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              • Posted by MikeJoyous 11 years, 11 months ago
                Hi Lucky:) I think part of Branden's concern with AS was that the heroes didn't often show feelings.The ability to turn off, if there is no conscious release going on, is taken to mean saying No to the feelings--or repression, at some point. I wish that Rand had read and tried out Patricia Carrington's book. It might have saved her much much agony, both with respect to her view of the culture and of everyone she excommunicated at some point. Lucky, I'm wondering: I'm getting a tele-class together of what I'm learning. So far I have 2 folks interested in participating. If you're interested as well, please email me at mikerael50@yahoo.com Best wishes, Mike
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