Jon Stewart's Reaction To Megyn Kelly's 'White Santa' Statement Is All We Need

Posted by $ nickursis 11 years, 4 months ago to Culture
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For those of you who got hung up in the "lesbians can't order a cake, so they had to get a judge to do it for them " thread, you may have missed Megyn Kellys assertion that Santa Just Has to Be White or we all die moment. Jon Stewart seems fairly even handed in his comic treatment of all this silly nonsense.
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  • Posted by Herb7734 11 years, 4 months ago
    Are we really arguing over the skin color of fictional characters? Since they are fictional, even if they are based (remotely) on real people, making them any color at all shouldn't be of concern to an Objectivist with the possible exception of Stewart's comedic rant.
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  • Posted by Ranter 11 years, 4 months ago
    Just for the record: Santa Claus is based on the historical character Saint Nicholas, who was white. Jesus also was white. I do not object to depictions of Jesus by various ethnic and racial groups that depict him as of their own ethnicity or race. Neither do I object to similar depictions of Saint Nicholas. It is a way for a culture or race to absorb the ideals of Jesus or Saint Nicholas and make them their own. However, depicting both as white is not a form of oppression in any way, nor a form of racism.
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    • Posted by j_IR1776wg 11 years, 4 months ago
      Arrgh! Just for the record Jesus Christ was a typical Mediterranean person which means that he was black-haired, black-eyed, and olive-skinned. If you disagree please cite specifics in the bible or other writings that indicated that he stood out from the crowd in his physical characteristics.
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      • Posted by Ranter 11 years, 4 months ago
        By Jesus' time, there was a lot of intermarriage/mixing with the Greek and Macedonian population in the Middle East, just as there was in Italy. Julius Caesar was referred to as "red" (reddish blonde). Alexander and many of his men were blond. Many in the population were blond, blue-eyed and fair-skined. The population of Palestine likely resembled modern Jews, who come in a wide variety of pigmentations, eye colors, and hair colors. The Mediterranean population -- including the Middle Eastern population -- are white in comparison to black Africans. Any attribution of skin color, hair color, and eye color to Jesus is speculative, but he was not black African, and he was not Oriental. There are ancient stories that depict King David as blonde. If so, and if Jesus was of the lineage of David, he would have the recessive gene and could have been blond. The "crowd" in Jesus' Palestine would have had skin colors ranging from Mediterranean olive to white; eyes that were brown, black, blue, "golden" (Amber), hazel, and green, and mixtures thereof; and hair colors ranging from black to blonde. The majority were likely olive-skinned, brown haired and brown eyed. Regardless of his pigmentation, Jesus would not have stood out from the crowd, even if he were of a minority color.
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  • Posted by mccannon01 11 years, 4 months ago
    The Santa lore is Euro-centric in origin and, therefore, he is a white guy. Why must the character be cast any other way? Hollywood is now putting out a movie commemorating Nelson Mandela and is not casting Brad Pitt or Johnny Depp as Mandela. It would be absurd for obvious reasons. It seems the PC police have to trash white males at every opportunity, even mythological good guys like Santa Claus.
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  • Posted by $ Mimi 11 years, 4 months ago
    I didn’t miss the Megyn Kelly show. She was taken out of context. She was discussing an article in which the writer wrote that maybe it was time for Santa to be black. She made a ‘mommy’ kind of remark that nobody was changing Santa, and he was still white. In hindsight, it was a very awkward joke. (Btw, plenty of young kids are up at ten on a Friday.)
    Had you seen the whole segment you would see how absurd the criticism has been. She even offered during the segment for her guest to consider maybe it is offensive or painful to non-white children to have to subjected to the white-Santa commercialism. I don’t think it was worth all the attention it’s getting. Certainly not the kind of attention that suggest she is a bigot. Yet...she really stuck her foot in her mouth on this one, so let the bashing begin.
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  • Posted by MattFranke 11 years, 4 months ago
    No wonder nobody takes this country seriously, we waste valuable television time informing our citizens of the race of an imaginary fat man.
    Twist on some George Carlin. This is about what I think of Santa though.

    http://youtu.be/qt9WNI8LI9M

    Overly sensitive or generally whiny people should avoid this.
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  • Posted by $ MikeMarotta 11 years, 4 months ago
    We do not have tv into the house: no cable, no broadcast, so I do not watch Jon Stewart or Glenn Beck or the other conservative pundits. But this was hilarious. "Isn't that the definition of oppression: just because you are offended, doesn't mean that it has to change." I made a little poster out of that for my wall.

    A long time ago, I was on a Federal project and we were closed for Christmas. One my co-workers was a deacon in his church. On our way to lunch, I needled him: "So, what do you think of the separation of Church and State? We have Christmas off." He came right back, "Mike, do you honestly believe that Christmas is a religious holiday?"
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  • Posted by Stormi 11 years, 4 months ago
    This is just another of the divide and set groups against each other method so adored by Marxists such as Alinsky. The groups who have communist roots come in and try to legislate nativity scenes from the landscape via courts.
    Who cares if someone feels uncomfortable! Their problem, not mine, their perception. Everyone is uncomfortable with something, but you don't legislate your view of the perfect world. I feel irritatede when WalMart has lines at the check out on Welfare check day. I felt uncomfortable when my former married boss had gay trists in the office when I had to work evenings. I feel uncomfortable when Obama takes over the TV for a news conference, not because of race, but because his hirstory of being ignorant and Marxist. Where do I go to legislate all that away?.
    Grow up, everyone will feel uncomfortable at times , and utopia, by definition is a place that cannot exist.
    Growing up, we all had heroes who were black or Hispanic or white, it was what they were, and they did not have to look like us for them to be admired by us. I know the same is true across many cultures. Only the politicians and ACLU try to cause problems to divert us from the dastardly deeds, they are doing - and they are of all races and religions! It is time we stopped apologizing for being white or Cherokee, or anything we might be, and accepted we can admire who a person is without making them be politically correct for some self-serving people out to destroy the US..
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  • Posted by fairbro 11 years, 4 months ago
    The only reason I pay a little attention to what John Stewart says is because what he says is inflammatory and creates race, gender, class and age-related, hatred in my (our) society. He needs to be watched, like a rabid dog needs to be watched.
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  • Posted by USAONENATIONUNDERGOD 11 years, 4 months ago
    Culture....first get your facts straight..they were two MEN...I do not believe is this PC world we call the Lesbians we call people descriptions of color...why because everything has to be put in a color place...is anyone arguing that MLK was not black?
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    • Posted by $ MikeMarotta 11 years, 4 months ago
      In 2009 or 2010, the sociology department at my university put on a seminar on the unreality of race. The guest speaker put up a picture of President Obama. "What is his race?" Several people replied Black or African-American. The the speaker put up a picture of the President's mother. "Why isn't he White?"

      Race is an ASCRIBED status: other people define your race and you have no choice in the matter. MLK was probably pretty darned white, when you stop to think about it. Interesting point.
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  • Posted by Hiraghm 11 years, 4 months ago
    Tell you what... just to be "fair", and to make everybody (except those insecure racist white males) happy, let's change the race of historic figures, just so folks feel inclusive:

    We'll make MLK Chinese
    We'll make Ghandi Native American
    We'll make Abraham Lincoln black
    We'll make Moses Indian
    We'll make Nelson Mandela Scandinavian
    We'll make George Washington Japanese
    We'll make Thomas Jefferson Mongolian
    And we'll make Obama Irish.
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    • Posted by Briteblackfilms 11 years, 4 months ago
      Now the real question is, if a Japanese-American child chooses to visualize George Washington as looking Japanese because he wants to think of a hero looking like himself... Does that somehow hurt you or I at all?
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      • Posted by khalling 11 years, 4 months ago
        it doesn't hurt exactly-but in Hiraghm's example, it would be incorrect. Most kids who loved skating and followed the Olympics would have a conniption if you tried to tell them when Kristi Yamaguchi was top in her field that she was white. Interesting and sad fact- Kristi's mom was born in a japanese-american internment camp.
        Santa is just any child's fantasy. MK was a being silly and using her bully pulpit poorly.
        But to your earlier point, the dominant culture does tend to fix the imaging in. I don't look like Barbie, but I didn't spend time worrying about that. I grew up with a pakastani-american girl who is one of my closest friends who used to say when we were in high school that she wanted to read about american heroines that looked like and had the same culture that she did. I never forgot that. I just finished my first techo-thriller and the heroine in my novel looks like my friend. "Pendulum of Justice" is available on amazon and B&N-check it out and welcome
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        • Posted by xthinker88 11 years, 4 months ago
          Just bought your book. Bought it on B&N after looking there and at Amazon. Did you know that there is no description on B&N? And no reviews? Very different from Amazon. Since I bought it there I should be able to enter a review once I read it. Look's interesting.
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          • Posted by khalling 11 years, 4 months ago
            Thank you buying our novel. Interesting on the lack of description. I will check into it. Of course I would love a review. It's the only way for new authors to get good exposure. I hope you'll enjoy it, x
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        • Posted by Briteblackfilms 11 years, 4 months ago
          Oh I get ya, but as far as we know, no one has figured out how to bend time or self replicate in such a way as to deliver presents all over the globe either, it is fantasy, children should have the allowance to have fantasy. George Washington probably was a man with many things about him I'd rather not know, which I would probably choose to ignore (a form of fantasy), his skin color would probably rank about as low in real importance as if he had wrinkles.
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  • Posted by LetsShrug 11 years, 4 months ago
    I don't think Santa being white can be compared to oppression. We now have to change the skin color of fictional characters to appease? Talk about ridiculous.
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    • Posted by $ 11 years, 4 months ago
      Uh, he actually glows:
      http://paranormal.about.com/b/2008/12/13...
      and
      Here is a picture of black Santa:
      http://weekendamerica.publicradio.org/di...
      Wikipedia does a pretty good treament of him, which seems to indicate he has been seen to have been in most countries north of the equator. Since I know that the white race has not been completely dominant in all of the Northern Hemisphere, I am guessing there are some radical non-white versions floating around:

      http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Santa_Claus...

      The bottom line is: He is a fictional character, and is depicted based on the perceptions of the viewer. By popular fiction, he is white, but by concept he could be coal black, brown, tan, or any other ethnic color and he would still be considered Santa Claus, or any one of a 1,000 other names. I think Jon's point was to that end. Megyn should not have opened her mouth on this one, or if it was "humorous" she failed utterly.
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      • Posted by Hiraghm 11 years, 4 months ago
        "by concept"?

        Oh! I forgot. All cultures are equal. My bad, comrade O'Brien.

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        • Posted by $ 11 years, 4 months ago
          "By Concept"= People will tend to view characters and fiction in reference to their own culture. That's why it was inane for Megyn Kelly to ever bring this up. You can have youre white santa and everyone else can have the santa of their choosing, and then it can all move on to who the heck are the little people he has enslaved... THEY are the ones that need rescue from the evil Imperialist Fat Dude.:)
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          • Posted by Hiraghm 11 years, 4 months ago
            My "culture" is midwestern American, not "white".
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            • Posted by Boborobdos 11 years, 4 months ago
              Actually it would appear you have separated yourself from your "culture" because the culture is allowing same sex marriage, assisted suicide is winning in elections, abortion is mostly legal... You appear to be so far out of "culture, Hiraghm that maybe it's time for you to reevaluate.
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          • Posted by Hiraghm 11 years, 4 months ago
            And if you want a definition of "inane", I point to Jon Stewart's entire inane, effete career.
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            • Posted by Boborobdos 11 years, 4 months ago
              Actually it's not quite "inane."

              Jon Steward and his crew have earned a slew of awards. You can see them at: http://www.imdb.com/name/nm0829537/award...

              Plus he his consistently at the top of the list as a news source for lots of folks.
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              • Posted by Hiraghm 11 years, 4 months ago
                Full Definition of INANE
                1
                : empty, insubstantial
                2
                : lacking significance, meaning, or point : silly <inane comments>

                So what if they won a slew of awards? They won them for being inane, then.
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                • Posted by Boborobdos 11 years, 4 months ago
                  No Hiraghm, there are bunches of folks who don't respect your name calling and evaluation of Jon Steward.

                  He is significant in that you can't refute ANYTHING he has revealed on his news program.

                  Be specific. Your simple name calling is lacking significance, meaning or a point.
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  • Posted by $ Maphesdus 11 years, 4 months ago
    I actually saw this, and thought it was pretty hilarious. The Daily Show is actually one of my favorite shows. I don't always agree with everything Jon Stewart says, though the times I disagree with him are far and few between. This time, I agree with him completely.

    Then there's also this:
    https://www.facebook.com/photo.php?fbid=...

    Anyway, is it just me, or has there been a meteoric rise in the amount of bigotry and prejudice being expressed in the media lately? Maybe it's just that I've grown up and I'm paying more attention now, but I can't seem to recall this sort of thing being acceptable in the past. At least, not in my lifetime...
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    • Posted by $ 11 years, 4 months ago
      No, Maph, I agree with you, there is a whole lot of "it must be", or "you're wrong" or "this is the way it is". It is the conditioning of the public by the political and economic powers. They get people to divide into little camps, tell each group they are the only ones with the right answer, then let the fur fly. People seem to miss their comings and goings. Megyn Kelly was just stirring the pot with this story, and it backfired on her, and Jon did do a really good job of pulling the trigger. The level of tolerance for any ambiguity is dropping rapidly, since you can instantaneously instigate issues today, and once started, they can spin rapidly out of control to where the original point is long lost. Look at the discussion over on the news bit about the lesbians wedding cake, everyone started to just fire up and it went from a discussion to a flame broiler. I think there is a lot of repressed anger in people connected to the whole "who's in charge" thing, and as each party takes charge, the message of who does what, what is good, and all the petty rules and impositions change. That makes each major camp get angrier and angrier.
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      • Posted by khalling 11 years, 4 months ago
        Hi nick. I spent a fair amount of time on the wedding cake post yesterday. I thought it was a discussion - what do you mean by flame briler? Posts like that often garner tons of comments -the issue is simple and it 's the reasoning between conservatives and objectivists although concludes in agreement is different somewhat. And the liberal kneejerk response is everyone 's a bigot. Kelley overplayed her hand and deserved the razzing
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        • Posted by $ 11 years, 4 months ago
          I agree with you on the Kelly thing...and she even tried the ol' cover me up as well "It was all a joke you know?". I meant there was some pretty stiff comments made over on that other post, it wasn't just debate, I felt there was a lot of "Your either with me or against me" going back and forth. A few seemed bent on stating absolutes in a situation where absolute can never apply. Whether you like gays or not, or the baker should/should not have to do something, it seemed a lot of people were on the emotional road to ruin instead of a robust debate. Just the way I see it....
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          • Posted by khalling 11 years, 4 months ago
            Oh. Yes it 's a charged topic. I found it strange MK would even choose this as a controversy. Is it one? I have a coffee table book all about Santa. It was a gift to me and full of interesting trivia. Most important to US culture was simply retailers hijacking the scandanavian st. Nicholas. Purely for advertising and to commercialize the holiday. Americans have always done the marketing thing well. If she wanted to go off on Christmas she should have picked the black Friday fighting at big box stores.
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            • Posted by $ 11 years, 4 months ago
              Exactly, excellent points. Even if you do not like Jon Srtewart, he did a funny job with the topic and the point of why anyone on a News Show would even be bringing this topic up. Your point on the Black Friday thing (oh, no is this another racist name?) is right on.
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      • Posted by Hiraghm 11 years, 4 months ago
        I think you have it backwards.

        I suspect that a lot of people, who have learned who they are inside, aren't putting up with the politically correct bullshit anymore. They're no longer willing to concede that cultural and historic traditions and practices are either wrong or malleable.

        "Multiculturalism" is on the way out... hopefully.
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        • Posted by $ MikeMarotta 11 years, 4 months ago
          Multicultural? You have no idea. Right now, my wife and I are working our way through STAR TREK: DEEP SPACE NINE. You think that different Earth people have different cultures. How parochial.

          The next clear night, step outside and spend 15 minutes staring into the stars, then tell me that the myths of your parent describe reality.
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          • Posted by $ Mimi 11 years, 4 months ago
            Ahhh. I can never remember if I made it all the way through that series. Thanks, Mike. for the idea. I think I’ll go start on it myself. I was always a Star Trek, and TNG kind of girl.
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            • Posted by $ 11 years, 4 months ago
              Mimi, Mike, I have every series, and movie. DS9 is a great series, but you really do need to watch them in sequence for the full story. It is like Babylon 5, which was a great series,that I highly recommend. One episode where Lando is chasing some kind of bugs in his apartment, with a sword, while disaster abounds, is particularly hilarious.
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        • Posted by Briteblackfilms 11 years, 4 months ago
          I believe the reason that politically correct speech is going by the wayside is because we are FINALLY getting to the point where it is the fringe element whom even has words which are intended to offend people racially. Blatant racism, such as bothering to screw up a child's version of a made up character meant to bring happiness to all so that you can make sure your made up version of that same character is the one EVERYONE sees when they close their eyes. Racism will go by the wayside as we stop caring about such stupid things. Guess you'll be there with it.
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          • Posted by $ 11 years, 4 months ago
            Yes, someday it will drift away, but not as long as people ALLOW those who use it as a weapon, to wield it. I work in a company that pushes diversity to the limit in their hiring, and as a result we have people from all over the world in each factory. The biggest problem is that it is like the tower of Babel at the end, as english is the common language, but many have not mastered it. Since I have no talent for language at all, I try very hard not to get irritated with it, other than when I have to call IT support. We try not to do that unless our backs are to the wall, sometimes it just becomes a make noise session. But that is not a racial issue, it is a communication issue.I have a small diverse team, and it works because we trust each other and feel free to just say what is on our minds without judgement.
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        • Posted by $ 11 years, 4 months ago
          Hiraghm, you seem to take this stuff as if it is a life or death struggle. Granted, we are where we are at because over the last 100 years or so many influences have divided people into little camps. But you don't have to get so riled up at it all, you seem to want to place your position front and center, and any one who is not with you must be against you. You're playing the same game they are. I do not want to have to believe that any particular politics, culture, group or policy is bad, what I don't agree with, I will debate, and I believe that everyone has a right to have their own freedom and their own opinion. Just don't legislate it, or force it on me, and I will respect that it exists. Politically correct bullshit only applies if you are going to play the game, not when you don't subscribe to it, or have to feign it for some boss.
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        • Posted by $ Maphesdus 11 years, 4 months ago
          Multiculturalism on the way out? HA! That's a good one! It's just getting started! It's only going to increase from here on out. The reason multiculturalism is rapidly becoming so prevalent in modern society is because technological advances have made international and global travel cheaper and easier than it has ever been at any other point in human history, thus facilitating a broad mixing of cultures from all across the world. The only way for it to stop would be for technology to backslide somehow, which, let's face it, isn't going to happen.
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