OMG! A Black Santa?? next thing they will how the poor short guys in balls and chains,,, and maybe leather too....

I agree with you on the Kelly thing...and she even tried the ol' cover me up as well "It was all a joke you know?". I meant there was some pretty stiff comments made over on that other post, it wasn't just debate, I felt there was a lot of "Your either with me or against me" going back and forth. A few seemed bent on stating absolutes in a situation where absolute can never apply. Whether you like gays or not, or the baker should/should not have to do something, it seemed a lot of people were on the emotional road to ruin instead of a robust debate. Just the way I see it....

That FB post was funny.

Hi nick. I spent a fair amount of time on the wedding cake post yesterday. I thought it was a discussion - what do you mean by flame briler? Posts like that often garner tons of comments -the issue is simple and it 's the reasoning between conservatives and objectivists although concludes in agreement is different somewhat. And the liberal kneejerk response is everyone 's a bigot. Kelley overplayed her hand and deserved the razzing

Hiraghm, you seem to take this stuff as if it is a life or death struggle. Granted, we are where we are at because over the last 100 years or so many influences have divided people into little camps. But you don't have to get so riled up at it all, you seem to want to place your position front and center, and any one who is not with you must be against you. You're playing the same game they are. I do not want to have to believe that any particular politics, culture, group or policy is bad, what I don't agree with, I will debate, and I believe that everyone has a right to have their own freedom and their own opinion. Just don't legislate it, or force it on me, and I will respect that it exists. Politically correct bullshit only applies if you are going to play the game, not when you don't subscribe to it, or have to feign it for some boss.

"By Concept"= People will tend to view characters and fiction in reference to their own culture. That's why it was inane for Megyn Kelly to ever bring this up. You can have youre white santa and everyone else can have the santa of their choosing, and then it can all move on to who the heck are the little people he has enslaved... THEY are the ones that need rescue from the evil Imperialist Fat Dude.:)

No, Maph, I agree with you, there is a whole lot of "it must be", or "you're wrong" or "this is the way it is". It is the conditioning of the public by the political and economic powers. They get people to divide into little camps, tell each group they are the only ones with the right answer, then let the fur fly. People seem to miss their comings and goings. Megyn Kelly was just stirring the pot with this story, and it backfired on her, and Jon did do a really good job of pulling the trigger. The level of tolerance for any ambiguity is dropping rapidly, since you can instantaneously instigate issues today, and once started, they can spin rapidly out of control to where the original point is long lost. Look at the discussion over on the news bit about the lesbians wedding cake, everyone started to just fire up and it went from a discussion to a flame broiler. I think there is a lot of repressed anger in people connected to the whole "who's in charge" thing, and as each party takes charge, the message of who does what, what is good, and all the petty rules and impositions change. That makes each major camp get angrier and angrier.

Uh, he actually glows:
http://paranormal.about.com/b/2008/12/13...
and
Here is a picture of black Santa:
http://weekendamerica.publicradio.org/di...
Wikipedia does a pretty good treament of him, which seems to indicate he has been seen to have been in most countries north of the equator. Since I know that the white race has not been completely dominant in all of the Northern Hemisphere, I am guessing there are some radical non-white versions floating around:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Santa_Claus...

The bottom line is: He is a fictional character, and is depicted based on the perceptions of the viewer. By popular fiction, he is white, but by concept he could be coal black, brown, tan, or any other ethnic color and he would still be considered Santa Claus, or any one of a 1,000 other names. I think Jon's point was to that end. Megyn should not have opened her mouth on this one, or if it was "humorous" she failed utterly.

I don't know maybe I am missing something. A fat guy who is white in pictures, enslaves little people and animals. Let's return to Jon and rerun that you missed his point...