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I Run A Private School and I am Against Vouchers

Posted by khalling 10 years, 7 months ago to Education
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"The only completely privately-funded college I know of is Hillsdale College, in Michigan. They chose to stay privately funded because of affirmative action: they were started in the 19th century by abolitionists who did not believe in discriminating based on race. In the ‘70’s, they were required by the Feds to employ affirmative action if they wanted to use Pew grants. But they considered affirmative action a form of racial discrimination. Rather than continue with it, their trustees decided the college should become entirely privately funded.

And now Hillsdale stands as one of the only ideologically unique higher education institutions in the nation. Too bad more places haven’t had the integrity to follow that path."
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  • Posted by j_IR1776wg 10 years, 7 months ago
    I have no doubt that if 50 years ago the school system was converted to an all privately owned, non-unionized, non-government regulated, and non-government funded system, we would have the best educated work force in the world, universally affordable education and a booming economy. Today all we can hope for is the dismantling of the DOE as a new beginning.
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    • Posted by $ blarman 10 years, 7 months ago
      The system WAS completely privately run up until the start of the 20th century. It only started to turn "public" during Woodrow Wilson's presidency and by the time WW II was over, it was ALL public.

      Not coincidentally, test scores and the excellence of education of our people has been declining ever since.
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      • Posted by ewv 10 years, 7 months ago
        It has been a long, incremental process of statism in education beginning long before the early 20th century. Public schools run by local towns date back to the earliest days of the settlers, the time of the Revolution, and later in the 18th century. State laws mandating public education were implemented in the mid 1800s as a result of an intellectually driven campaign by New England advocates of the German system, English socialists, and Unitarians afraid of influence by Catholic immigrants -- Horace Mann was part of the later stages of that.
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    • Posted by $ jdg 10 years, 7 months ago
      Before we can dismantle the DOE, we need a public that is taught outside the boundaries it draws. Plenty of people are homeschooling their kids now; let's encourage that.

      There's plenty of good material up on the Web already, and more will certainly follow. I really believe the task of homeschooling will only get easier and cheaper.
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  • Posted by marshafamilaroenright 10 years, 7 months ago
    William, running a small private school myself, and seeing how hard it is for middle class parents to pay for the tuition - how easy it is for them to be seduced into the "free" charter schools, magnet programs, etc. - I'm convinced that only the schools with the wealthiest patrons will be able to stay in business and not accept vouchers, if they get to be ubiquitous. That's why I said that. Sure, there will be some die-hard parents who will do anything to pay for private education of their choice, but they are few and far between.

    Also, I don't follow the logic of the second part of what you said, single payer schooling and that. Could you expand?
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    • Posted by $ WilliamShipley 10 years, 7 months ago
      I understand your issue. You are probably right, you would probably be forced to take vouchers. The sad reality is that the many people who fall below the level who can afford to pay your tuition are doomed to the public school system. I think that getting students out of the monolithic government school system is essential.

      As to single payer, in the area of healthcare, which I am involved in, we've just seen Obamacare taking a large control over healthcare insurance. Many liberals do not think it went far enough and are demanding "Single Payer" healthcare where you still have separated providers but the government is the only insurance. This is distinguished from the National Health Service such as Britain has where the government does everything.

      Vouchers are, essentially, moving from a National Health Service mode to a Single Payer mode where the government pays but doesn't provide the services.

      Since this is what they are used to advocating, it's a good phrase to hang the argument on.

      Of course running small private schools are optimal and I don't, in any way, mean to demean what you are doing. I just can't imagine the majority of our population being able to attend such schools -- and we can't let the government have a free hand in indoctrination.
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    • Posted by strugatsky 10 years, 7 months ago
      Marsha, I agree that the voucher system is worse than not having the government being involved in the education process at all. Not to mention that government involvement in the education process is actually unconstitutional - but who pays attention to that rag of a paper anymore? However, currently, the government runs the entire education system, from collecting (stealing) the money to educating (indoctrinating) the students. The voucher system would at least free up a part of the later half.
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    • Posted by 10 years, 7 months ago
      Marsha, william won't get an email letting him know you are discussing with him unless you reply to him. Consider copying your response and hitting "reply" under his comment and pasting it there.
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  • Posted by Herb7734 10 years, 7 months ago
    I applaud you and your school. However, there are not as many schools of your type available at a reasonable price. Unfortunately, my kids got a crappy public school education, because I was too dumb to pay for a private school. Fortunately my son was smarter than me and sent my Grandchildren to an excellent Montessori school which gave them a real head start.
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    • Posted by marshafamilaroenright 10 years, 7 months ago
      Herb, it is so hard for parents to pay double tuition - which many do by paying property taxes and then paying private school tuition.
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      • Posted by Herb7734 10 years, 7 months ago
        When my granddaughter was in primary school, she asked in her cute little smart-ass way, "If Montessori schools are so good, why don't all kids get to go to them?" I told her about the double cost. She replied "That's not fair!" Welcome to real life, kiddo.
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        • Posted by johnpe1 10 years, 7 months ago
          yes, life is not fair, but We are here to try to make up for it.
          with this forum, the movies, and maybe the TV series,
          perhaps there will be an increased chance that more
          kids will get a Real Chance!!! -- j

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  • Posted by NealS 10 years, 7 months ago
    Actually there are many privately-funded colleges out there, perhaps too small to be recognized. Last year I attended a reunion of Vietnam Veterans (1st Battalion 83rd Artillery) in Branson, Missouri. We had a young lady guest speaker from College of the Ozarks. I cried listening to her wonderful presence and her presentation. She told how each student was required to hook up with a Vietnam Veteran and accompany him back to his battlefield in Vietnam, and what effect that had on character building and other attributes for the students. My shirt was wet with my dripping tears from her presentation, perhaps because emotions were already particularly high after we had just done the reading of the names of our fallen brothers.

    Also known as “HardWork U” the "College of the Ozarks" is based on Cultural, Patriotic, and Christian values. No tuition is charged, all students work on campus, debt is openly discouraged, and no federal, state, or private loans are made. I’m sure there are more schools like this hidden out there somewhere. If not, why not? I think it might behoove us to find one for our grandchildren. If interested see: https://www.cofo.edu/


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  • Posted by craigerb 10 years, 7 months ago
    'Affirmative action' does not require "discriminating based on race". It merely requires reaching out to solicit applications from a broad source of applicants, instead of recruiting only from a select group.
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    • Posted by $ Radio_Randy 10 years, 7 months ago
      However, the state of Washington recently proposed concentrating their hiring efforts on local Indian reservations. To me...that IS discriminating based on race, unless I'm mistaken.
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      • Posted by craigerb 10 years, 7 months ago
        Correct. Affirmative action should apply only to soliciting applications, not hiring quotas. If an individual has been discriminated against by govt, only that individual should have recourse.
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  • Posted by term2 10 years, 7 months ago
    I look back on my "education", and I see there was so much wasted time that I was mandated to spend. I learn what I need to learn when I need to learn it- and have done that for a LONG, LONG time. High school was a complete waste for me. I dont even remember grade school or anything I learned there really. I wish I had gone to a Montessori school back then. I will say that MIT was different. I came out of there believing I could do anything that I wanted. I dont know HOW that happened, but it did. They deserve credit for that. I dont remember a lot of specifics that I learned there, but I have learned so much since I left there on my own, and it was because of exposure to the atmosphere there.
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  • Posted by $ jbrenner 10 years, 7 months ago
    Florida Tech does take some public money, mostly via a scholarship fund called Florida Bright Futures that all students going to any university in Florida can use or via the government-run student loan process. It is via the student loans that the statists exert their thought control.
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  • Posted by $ jbrenner 10 years, 7 months ago
    Hillsdale is a beautiful place. My sister-in-law and brother-in-law owned Hillsdale Beauty College for about 20 years before shrugging a year ago.
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  • Posted by a59430802sojourner 10 years, 5 months ago
    I basically agree with the 'no use' of vouchers because the government will control what is taught anyway. The only good thing about voucher is that at least some of the kids might actually receive an education, which they are not getting now.
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  • Posted by johnpe1 10 years, 7 months ago
    wonderful article, K;;; Thanks! . this is the kind of
    thinking which we need for our kids -- each is a
    unique person and each should get a chance to
    find the productive life they love!!! -- j

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  • Posted by CircuitGuy 10 years, 7 months ago
    They're rightly worried a hundred other strings besides AA would come with the money.

    I think about that school my kids went to for 13 days. The administration believed in "alternative" medicine and didn't require/support vaccination. I disagree with them strongly, but I'm glad they're down the road living their hippie lifestyle in peace. I would hate for voucher program to come along and require them to follow rules so parents can get their tax dollars back and spend them on the school.
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  • Posted by rbunce 10 years, 7 months ago
    ... and so you would be free to not accept voucher students at your school.If you feel you cannot compete in a newer education market where more parents have real choice that is a you problem... many schools will... and when the government comes calling they will also have the option to say no.
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    • Posted by marshafamilaroenright 10 years, 7 months ago
      Of course we'd be free not to accept them. The point is: would we then have a "market" because parents mostly will want to use them rather than spend their own money.

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      • Posted by rbunce 10 years, 7 months ago
        ... and as if you say, and I agree it is a possibility, that the government will follow the voucher with regulation then those parents will have the same choice... a poor government regulated education or a quality government free education. What I know is where we are now with a vast government education bureaucracy from the Federal Education Department down to the local school employees is not good for the vast majority of parents and children. Vouchers/tax credits get us further from that model and then it is a smaller jump to a totally non subsidized model.
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      • Posted by $ WilliamShipley 10 years, 7 months ago
        It's hard to compete with free! But, then, you do that already.

        Of course the availability of vouchers would generate a lot of schools that were more free, and better, than the public schools but still somewhat under the thumb of the state.

        Whether you would be able to maintain independence as Hillsdale does, or would have to accept vouchers and battle the state regulations is a valid issue. On the other hand you would have more allies in all the other private schools that would spring into being with a city full of people who can now afford them.
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    • Posted by rbunce 10 years, 7 months ago
      I have no problem with tax credits (pre refundable) being used instead of a voucher. The more power the parents have the better. Do not think the government education industrial complex will view tax credits as any less of a threat than vouchers however.
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  • Posted by Ranter 10 years, 7 months ago
    In that it is a given that the citizens will be taxed for education, I would favor a voucher system in which the tax funds for education were evenly divided between ALL the school-age children and provided to their parents in the form of vouchers, which the parents could use to sent their children to private schools as well as to public schools. The public schools would have to compete with private schools for their funding. The vouchers would be given with NO strings attached, other than the provision that only accredited schools or accredited "home schools" could receive them.
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  • Posted by $ WilliamShipley 10 years, 7 months ago
    I found her logic flawed in two areas, first that the availability of vouchers for education would somehow prohibit schools from refusing to accept them. If private schools can currently operate without taking government funds, they could choose to continue doing so.

    Second, she suggest that a tax credit could take the place of a voucher -- but of course we know that a tax credit would have to be to a 'qualified' school and the camels nose gets back into the tent.

    In reality, the government doesn't even need to give you money to dictate how a school should perform. All they do is say that if a school doesn't do x, anyone attending it is truant -- and the guys with guns come to talk to the parents. they almost just did that in California with vaccinations and home schooling.

    Of course this is a two-part issue. First, should the state force people to pay taxes to pay for schools and second should the state then run the schools.

    If we are going to continue to have the state pay for education, and realistically I think we have to accept that for the foreseeable future, then at least we can try to get more individual choice in the schools.

    Tell your liberal friends that you are interested in "Single Payer Schooling".
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    • Posted by $ blarman 10 years, 7 months ago
      Agreed. I have more children than the average person and I greatly benefit from the property taxes paid by those near me who have no school-age children. But I would trade ALL that in a heart-beat to privatize our schools even though it would mean thousands of dollars out of my pocket.

      Our state legislature just recently wrapped up their annual session and of course the hot topic was the budget. Public Education - even with the assistance of the Federal Government in my Red State - still consumed 55% of our ENTIRE budget. And that was on top of a school bond levy to raise money to build another two middle schools and a high school in my area (needed, I'll concede). And then everyone is complaining because the roads were underfunded. The solution is simple: turn the schools over to private groups and let them compete for parents' dollars. We already have a host of charter schools that provide a great template.
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      • Posted by marshafamilaroenright 10 years, 7 months ago
        Chicago's similar - our property taxes go almost entirely to the disgusting prisons they call schools here. They're so bad 250,000 children go to Catholic schools - can you imagine if the city had to pay for them too?

        The school budgets are basically welfare for the staff. Bloated administration, support staff, and ridiculous pensions.
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  • Posted by nsnelson 10 years, 5 months ago
    Excellent article. I love it, and have enjoyed reading the comments here.

    I was homeschooled (until college), and have strong convictions that the Government does not have the responsibility to educate us, and ought to stay out of it (though it may encourage it).

    I'm a big fan of Hillsdale college, for their convictions about remaining entirely private (and the extraordinary efforts they go through to accomplish this), and its appreciation of the Constitution.

    I advocate school vouchers. The article makes a good point, and I agree that vouchers ought not be our end goal. Anything "granted" by the Government comes with the control of the Government. The final solution would be for Government to recognize its proper role and limits (i.e., to protect us against those who would violate our natural rights), and get out of the business of public schools.

    But most of my friends would object that just quitting cold-turkey would be disastrous. So I see vouchers (or tax credits) as a good step in the right direction. It would help toward allowing the market to operate and allow competition, and build the infrastructure that will eventually enable us to break away from the chains of Statist education. I know this is highly optimistic, maybe wishful thinking, but I think it is a good path to pursue.

    (Edit: finishing a thought).
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