Layman’s Early Guide to the Presidential Election
Posted by freedomforall 10 years, 3 months ago to Politics
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While we're very happy to have you in the Gulch and appreciate your wanting to fully engage, some things in the Gulch (e.g. voting, links in comments) are a privilege, not a right. To get you up to speed as quickly as possible, we've provided two options for earning these privileges.
We need at least one generation if not two to allow attrition to deplete the socialists that developed during the 70's and 80's, throughout the hidden government; the bureaucracies and agencies, the foundations, and the institutions that support or subvert what voters may voice through elections. While Libertarians and even Objectivist are seeing an increase in those that identify as such, they still are a very minor part of the population and nearly 0 of the hidden government. If you watch such groups, particularly the Libertarians, you will note a significant voice of naive pacifist anarchists and agorist, which only dilutes the intellectual and even emotional foundations of such groups.
The strength to effect real change has to come from the citizenry. Nothing else will work.
Whether such "shocks" may be necessary or desirable depends on the extent to which libertarians "win" in politics. If Rand Paul is elected, does he think it's a one-off, not likely to be repeated, or do we expect the next Congress to be libertarian, too? I think you make the pessimistic assumption and hope it's wrong.
As for getting Obeyme impeached if taking the Oath twice then immediately announcing each time his intent to ignore and doing so isn't enough. I don't think the subject was even raised when the Constitutional Scholar showed his only knowledge was how not to support and defend the law of the land.Where were all the so called second party Republicans then? Noses in the trough? Two party system my ass. One party with two faces.
I agree with your characterisation of the GOP leadership, but I don't think we've reached the point yet that someone running as an independent or minor party candidate has a chance. That may change very soon if the GOP continues to betray its base.
I agree with Mr. Mark Twain who said, "If voting made any difference they wouldn't let us do it".
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Do you have mailed in ballots? I do, and vote at home and Mail the ballot in. That makes it very easy to vote. I just hate to see others not voting.
I live in a state where the primaries are all ready decided Before I get to vote.
However, I do vote just to let those liberals know they are not getting my vote!
I just hate to give up.
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"Most revealing are their policies concerning war and peace. Despite minor differences, all three (and those to come) want more military spending. Each thinks the United States can and should manage stability in the Middle East, on Russia’s border, etc. All three demonize Russia and Iran, countries that do not threaten us. Thus they would risk war, which would bolster government power while harming the American people and others."
When he says "all three", though, I would say "all four" because I am not confident Hillary Clinton would significantly reduce the military industrial complex any more the President Obama has.
The Obama administration had one good effect on the populace...the last midterm election showed that someone was watching what was going on and decided to attempt a change for what was perceived as the better.
If the non GOP, non Democrat POTUS is a statesman, then there could be a positive effect toward individual liberty. No POTUS from the DemRep party will produce anything but statist propaganda.
Voting is also a choice. That is as it should be in the Republic of America. However, with that choice comes consequences. Imagine, for a moment, how the years 2001 to 2004 would have turned out if Al Gore had won the 2000 election. That election came down to Florida and approximately 500 votes. It was a very devisive election. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/United_Sta...... The State of Florida probably wouldn't have changed the election outcome but if all of those 537 people in Florida had said my vote doesn't count so screw it -- the country and posssibly the world would be a very different place today. Voting is how the people can effectively change the landscape of the society they live in.
I am a member of a family with a long line of Liberals. Not sure how that happened. My Mom never voted nor did my sister. My brother only voted when someone he liked was the candidate. My step-father always voted also. We used to have some ummm discussions about voting. I also have those same discussion on Social Media. It saddens me the number of folks who don't believe the "idea" of America is worth fighting for. Progressives don't want Conservative minded folks to vote at all. They win.
Conservatives outnumber Liberals in America but because of faulty thinking that a particular vote doesn't matter Liberals get the upper hand. In 2008 I voted for McCain even though I consider him a Progressive Conservative. However, because he wasn't Conservative enough millions didn't bother to vote. The same BS happened in 2012 with Romney. With that kind of thinking it will be decades, if ever, that America returns to the Founder's idea for the great American Dream of Liberty and Freedom. http://www.washingtonpost.com/blogs/govb......
What I tell my kids and my family, meaning no disrespect, get off your dead ass and vote in all elections. America is to important to allow the Progressives to win. I don't want a world like Atlas Shrugged. I want all of the world to be Galt's Gulch.
Vote for evil, you get evil. That is the history of presidential elections for the past 50 years with only Reagan as an arguable respite.
N E V E R vote for the lesser of two evils.
N E V E R make excuses like how much worse it would have been if the other evil looter had won, because you can't possibly know.
Would Gore have been a horrible POTUS? imo, that is likely.Would he ever have gotten the support to destroy the Bill of Rights as Bush did? Not any more than Clintion did. Bush was a hard act to follow for worst POTUS in history. Had Gore been in office, it's unlikely that Obama would have had any chance to be elected and unseat Bush for that honor, imo. Unfortunately, America might have had Bush instead of Obama after Gore, so the worst president of all time prize would likely have been a close race between the looters.
See how convoluted things can get. It's impossible to predict with any confidence.
One thing can be predicted based on 50 years of history. Voting for evil solves nothing and evil continues to grow more powerful.
If you vote, then vote rationally and only against evil, not for evil. Vote rationally against the DemReps. Their candidates can only be trusted to be statists and against individual liberty.
We must always try to speculate on what a person will do once in office even though the truth will only come after that fact. There are simply too many variables. Who controls the House, the Senate. It is not as simple as the President of choice. I see Democrats and Republicans as the middle ground between Progressives and Conservatives. It is the middle ground that supplies the variables.
The quote "The only thing necessary for the triumph of evil is for good men to do nothing" rings true regardless of how one feels about Edmund Burke. My belief is the Founders put together America believing that it was their Gulch. It has been a struggle from day one. If everyone walks away from that struggle then we have already lost.
imo, illogical conclusion without any basis in fact. Please share the data that proves this is true.
imo the propaganda of the party controlled media, and education system supports the illogical conclusion that the only choice is Dem or GOP. That doesn't make the targets of the propaganda evil in any way.
"We must always try to speculate on what a person will do once in office "
Yes, and if we don't consider the acts of the candidates and the history of the party and previous candidates of that party there is no way to make a rational judgement.
The GOP and Dems have proven they are lying looters repeatedly. Voting for candidates from that party will continue the history of more state power and less individual liberty. There is no rational argument that can be made using the history of the DemReps that justifies voting for DemRep candidates.
I have clearly stated that voting for either Dems or GOP is voting for evil based on the results of the past 100 years. One should not vote for the DemReps. Therefore, one who rationally considers the results of the past 100 years of being ruled by statists in the DemRep party should vote for a candidate outside the DemRep party, unless one wants to have less liberty and a more oppressive state.
Unless people of conscience break the habit of voting for the lesser of two evils (usually promoted by the GOP) only evil will be elected, statists will continue to rule, and peaceful liberty in America will perish.
I have watched people of conscience vote for good people people who were champions of the Constitution and I watched their vote go for nothing. I have always attempted to vote for the most Conservative of candidates that put the Constitution ahead of big Gov't. I look for those candidates that aren't career politicians and I watched my vote go for nothing.
I research all candidates to find those that espouse more for Liberty and Freedom and less for the welfare state. It may take longer but I believe it is doable if more people of conscience do the same. It works for me. I see not voting for anyone because they are not truly aligned with my views as not an option. Nor is staying out of the process an option. Attempting to educate my circle of friends and family seems to be a better option. It is frustrating at times but it is a task that needs to be done.
Just to let the world know that we know what is going on!
I'm too stubborn to set aside my principle that voting is my patriotic duty.
But if faced with a Jeb Bush, I'm voting Libertarian or some other third party.
I also have the option of sticking a blank paper ballot into the machine that stands beside the exit.
.That last option also counts as a vote.
Feeling forced to consistently voter for the lesser of two evils every four years could perhaps be characterized as such.
This time I refuse to vote for a RINO such as Jeb Bush.
I will vote for someone like Scott Walker.
I do not view that as a compromise with evil.
He successfully fixes things screwed up by libtards and weathers the uproars they create to stop him.
Walker is the POTUS the USA sorely needs yesterday, since it may already be too late.
http://www.biography.com/people/scott-wa...
I read somewhere that his family was even threatened.
Walker is not a gutless RINO.
His proving that goes a long way with me.
So find me someone who holds the Constitution as the center point of American politics with those who want more government and control of citizens to the left and those who want more citizen control to the right (it's an empty space why not use it for the moment) with those in the center willing to give on some points but not give on the iimportant points AND willing to form a coalition as the left wing has done. The list goes on but I choose the Cosntitution as it is a fine start point but yes does need some fine tuning as it was written for context of the times 240 years ago. Changing the census from people to citizens a good example.Perhaps amending the voting system from electoral college to direct vote. Either adding the word edcuation or disbanding the Department of Education, I'm in favor of the latter because it's not an allowed power. I would look hard at an implied power of setting standards. Road widths, number of lanes, The meaning of High School Graduate or Bachelors Degree. I would look at adding definitions so that one side or the other could get away with verbal murder. How about requirements to become a Supreme Court Judge? There are only two. Nomination by the President and approval by the Senate. Could be the former President of Mexico or a 12 year old from Mars and there is zero requirement for a Justice to be a lawyer. I would look at agreeing on some changes to make voting and elections honest. They aren't. I would look hard at dumping or changing the 17th and 18th amendments and making it a federal law for all localities to have initiative, referendum, and recall up to an including the State's Delegates to the national congress.
The key point is the beliefs are too disparate and too many are unwilling to give a little to gain something and still not give too much or support any form of evil. Otherwise you become just another Government Party.
I would consider earning the right to vote and not just by military service.
I would ban the draft in any form but if it was kept demand women be included. They have no constitutional exemption.
I would return the State Militias to the State instead of playing games with terms like National Guard as a way to describe a federal reserve force. They pay the bill they get first call.
I would interpret the Second Amendment as it is written. a mechanism for the states to arm their state militias. by allowing any citizen to own a weapon which then automatically makes them a member (active, reserve, or on call) of the state militias.
I would favor banning abortions at some point in the third trimester when competent medcial authority deems the dependent fetus is at a viable stage sufficient to be a candidate for premature birth and then grant it the same rights of protection of all citizens.
But what I would insist on our some of the key points.
Find me a candidate for that. So far they don't exist or don't care to participate or are too far to the left or the right (which is anarchism as long as I'm borrowing the unused area to define those who want citizen control of government as a base line.
Number One. Have any beliefs you want as long as you keep one foot int he center, the constitution and be willing to work for change by amendment rather than letting some two bit Chicago shyster rule by edict, by ignoring the law and worse getting away with it. I guarantee such a person will publicly disavow all connection with the two current fiascos or better yet have never belonged.
Find me someone even fairly close to that.
To hell with the "center." The "center" has moved so far left that it is socialist.
"I would remind you that extremism in the defense of liberty is no vice! And let me remind you also that moderation in the pursuit of justice is no virtue!"
A bow thruster must be radical but also electable. The only non politician that maybe in the race is Donald Trump. To radically change the direction our country is heading, it we take a radical, and Donald Trump is certainly a radical. There is nobody that is the perfect candidate that you desire but if you distill down your requirement don't want a politician.
Donald Trump is not a politician and he believes in America. He can negotiate and manage a large company. He is the ultimate entrepreneur, I just wish he would tame his ego a little. We don't want to be called Trump America.
Some are born to lead. Some are content to do other jobs that need doing. Electable these days means Republican or Democrat which means status quo. You need to do more than be elected
Strike Two.However if for the sake of argument I could do such a thing I would first not utter the following words of the Presidential Oath. ''to the best of my ability.' From what I've seen it hasn't been good enough. Keep looking. I''ll give your effort a clue. Look in the realty of fiction for it's a better guide line than the fiction of reality we live in at the present and the foreseeable future. Sometimes it's the only way to keep hope alive for the benefit of future generations.
http://articles.latimes.com/2011/may/11/...
If anything, he believes in raping the American people for personal gain.
Donald is an offensive boor with the tact of sulphuric acid, and the moral compass of Goldman Sachs.
Because Donald has arguably used government funding for many of his projects?
http://articles.latimes.com/2011/may/11/...
Terry above now inspires me to ask--
Why not support Scott Walker?
To radically change the direction our country is going, it will take a radical and Donald Trump is certainly a radical.
I'm still waiting to see a chipmunk jump out of the front of his funny-looking hair.
Yep, how a candidate looks does not sway me.
I'd even even vote Ted Cruz, though all he has to do is put on a cape to masquerade as Dracula.