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The Fountainhead

Posted by Ibecame 8 years, 12 months ago to Movies
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We found "The Fountainhead" on iTunes and watched it last night. Wow (Long Pause for Effect) what a movie. This sure took a chapter out of my working life only I never had the enjoyment of blowing anything up after someone defaced my work or stole the credit. Did Ayn Rand ever have an ability to clearly see reality for what it was.


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  • Posted by 8 years, 11 months ago in reply to this comment.
    We bought it on iTunes, and if I can just get caught up again, we will watch it again. That says a lot since we rarely watch a movie twice.
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  • Posted by plusaf 8 years, 11 months ago in reply to this comment.
    Parminder Nagra when she was on ER.... impossible...
    But the background music on a LOT of all-English (American-English)-speaking shows does the same thing.
    It's as if nobody ever takes 'one last listen' before saying "Print!"... or whatever they say now... :)
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  • Posted by Flootus5 8 years, 11 months ago in reply to this comment.
    Indeed, while I really enjoyed Downton Abbey, I/we had to have the subtitles turned on - in English - to catch much of the dialogue. A small part of it was there were some English terms that were just unknown to us, but so much of it was because of the whispering/mumbling thing.
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  • Posted by plusaf 8 years, 11 months ago in reply to this comment.
    TV, too... If the actor has a British accent, real or learned, the odds of understanding their speech is minimal. Luckily, some are eye-candy and their dialogue may not matter much... <g>

    On the third hand, I HATE IT when the 'background music' becomes Foreground Music and isn't faded down when the actors begin to speak.

    Producers or directors might think it's just SO cool or 'mood-setting,' but it just makes it impossible to hear a lot of the dialogue.
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  • Posted by plusaf 8 years, 11 months ago
    "Did Ayn Rand ever have an ability to clearly see reality for what it was. "

    Excellent, Grasshopper! You Are Aware!
    :)
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  • Posted by Zero 8 years, 12 months ago in reply to this comment.
    No writer is ever happy with the movie made from their book. Just too many compromises.

    Two different art forms - two different narrative conventions must be maintained.
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  • Posted by IIGeo2 8 years, 12 months ago
    The film was amazing, amazing acting and it delivered the point straight home. You use to be able to watch free on Youtube and then it was blocked so I bought the movie as well.
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  • Posted by Flootus5 8 years, 12 months ago in reply to this comment.
    THAT is totally cool. Anthem has the power to cut across and through the "liberal/socialist-influenced" thought/behavior because it can appeal directly to the emerging sense of a teenagers self perception and self awareness that is so crucial to the underpinnings of the rest of his/her life.

    I say this because that is exactly what Anthem provided me as a pre-teenager. And gee, without government mandated counselors.

    I was very young and looking for a verification of what I was so early formulating as a framework of thought that could provide an operable basis for life.

    Anthem, and the other major pieces of Ayn Rand's work - and the experiences of sitting alone on my ten-speed on the Concord Bridge in Massachusetts are intensely integral to my life.

    I sat there on Concord Bridge trying to understand why certain people would resist significant and apparently overwhelming forces at the risk of their very lives.

    I directly struggled with the immediately evident understanding that these individuals chose to possibly- and likely - die as a result of "resisting the king" than to live with a life arbitrarily determined by others than themselves.

    What "belief system" is worth more than life itself if it comes down to it? This is a huge visceral question for which many have given their lives as the very testimonial answer to the question.

    It is the "how did they know" question that haunts me the most about when it comes time to expend your utmost - as an individual - in the name of that freedom - and give it all.
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  • Posted by Flootus5 8 years, 12 months ago in reply to this comment.
    Very good insight. After years of reading and loving both, I hadn't thought of that. It really supports the building of the philosophy from a story of one individual to an interactive story of many like minded individuals.
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  • Posted by Flootus5 8 years, 12 months ago in reply to this comment.
    I am so thankful that I am not the only one having noticed the mumbling/whispering thing in modern productions.

    I always thought it was to accommodate the loud volumes one experiences when in a movie theater, but that doesn't make sense given the much longer history of movies in the movie theaters. Or, have they cranked up the volume in our "modern" era? But also, the network series productions are guilty of this as well. So it isn't just a theater thing.

    I think it is the fault of the sound engineers. Notice that when the kissing/slurping/chew face thing has to happen it is quite loud, but when some dialogue occurs you can hardly hear it.

    Many a production is guilty of this, and it should not attributed to certain performers. But I find Russel Crowe really guilty of this. I could hardly sit through the remake of 3:10 to Yuma because of this. Imagine that - having to turn on subtitles on an English speaking film so that you can follow the dialogue. Jeez.
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  • Posted by davidmcnab 8 years, 12 months ago in reply to this comment.
    Steven Mallory really needs to sign up for some shooting classes at his local pistol range. I still almost spit coffee on my keyboard when I hear about types like this, not only living, but in positions of authority such as education.

    Something which helped me was studying the research of Geert Hofstede, who came up with the idea of "cultural dimensions" - stereotypes which are supported by evidence. The main dimensions are Power Distance, Individualism, Uncertainty avoidance, Masculinity, and Long Term Orientation.

    Where that applies in this discussion is with individuality, a dimension in which countries like the USA scores highest in the world. Other countries, such as South Korea and Saudi Arabia, score very low.
    http://geert-hofstede.com/united-states....

    Lecturers like your daughter had would be better off in one of these other countries.
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  • Posted by 8 years, 12 months ago in reply to this comment.
    Lucky you read it so early in life. I still haven't read the book (but will soon, I want to read Anthem First). Today there are a lot more Toohey's in the world, but there still are a few Roark's and John Gault's.
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  • Posted by $ allosaur 8 years, 12 months ago in reply to this comment.
    I just watched the trailer on YouTube.
    Said "Yep, I want to see that."
    Went straight to Netflix but found it is glitching any movie I try to write in to order right now.
    I will get around to seeing that flick soon one way or the other.
    Thanks.
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  • Posted by khalling 8 years, 12 months ago in reply to this comment.
    "how one must at times self sacrifice personal integrity to maintain integrity"

    how did Roark sacrifice his integrity?
    If Roark is like a diety to you, I think you've missed some important concepts in the book, sunjock. So I assume you mean this in hyperbole :)
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  • Posted by 8 years, 12 months ago in reply to this comment.
    Two different hero's for two different eras. I to prefer the optimism in The Fountainhead. John Gault had a tougher road to travel if you think about it. He was more like one of the officers on the Titanic that loaded the passengers that were smart enough to "withdraw" while the ship went down.
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  • Posted by coaldigger 8 years, 12 months ago in reply to this comment.
    Marlon Brando made mumbling popular in method acting but he mumbled audibly. A whispered, garbled mumble that is unintelligible is not art. I am not sure I want to blame this all on Hollywood. Kids are not taught how to speak anymore, elocution? I have reached the state of; If you don't care one iota if I understand what you said, don't bother me.
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  • Posted by 8 years, 12 months ago in reply to this comment.
    Sometimes what your kids don't know won't hurt them. If she thinks you are reading the book at the same time she is taking the class, she might think that you are interfering (a mistake I made). If It were me, I would read the book, and get a copy of the "Cliff Notes" to. It never hurts to be a little bit "Omnipotent" when trying to overcome the socialistic school system. Like in a military campaign, it is always better to be on the higher ground and keep the enemy guessing. Curiosity is also a powerful tool with kids. I would bet she will at some point ask you how you know so much about the book, but I wouldn't say any more than the minimum.
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  • Posted by khalling 8 years, 12 months ago in reply to this comment.
    yes, you are right. At the time, I was very much a statist. At the time, I supported John Anderson over Reagan. I railed on Reagan. To be fair, I railed about his moral majority connections and I could not stand Carter. luckily db was enamored enough to stick around and share knowledge :)
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  • Posted by 8 years, 12 months ago in reply to this comment.
    To me it takes no effort to agree with this. What I have read so far indicates she was a perfectionist. I still liked the movie, and although I am seldom a critic; The directing was not the best, a lot of the camera angles and shots seemed to be poor and hastily shot. The editing could have been much better. Still, the script was good and the content was priceless. It is still a movie that will grab you.
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