That part of the movie was shot near Phoenix way out in the desert in an area they call "Paradise Valley" today. At that time it really was way out in the desert. According to "Nature" (as far as I know that was her one and only name) she had been living out there for some years when the movie crew showed up.

Great reply and comment. Txs.

I feel good just knowing that! Borrowed good times?

I have Smith's works and like them to the extent I can follow them, but some parts are not well written. I find Mises' "Human Action" much clearer and a complete economic theory. Haven't read Hayek or Strogatz.

I've certainly met people at Ayn Rand Institute who were like that, especially while she was alive. Haven't heard from that bunch more recently.

Yes it was :)... and way too far and in between. Thanks for making the trip for us

Yes, she was selling herself into sex slavery, but on sort of a temporary trial basis thing. I think they had a safe word or something like that. Whatever..the whole thing was freaky... the red room. gah! And she bit her lip too much.

I haven't thought about Vanishing Point in years. The first time I saw it, I found the concept quite disturbing ... alternate realities ... I had weird dreams for several nights.

philosophically, I think submission is much like selling yourself into slavery. If you look at it from a contractual stand point, the other party gives no consideration and you are not autonomous. It's the "inalienable" part of the right to own yourself. You cannot be separated from it

Funny :) I have and will probably make the same mistake again. I appreciate it when people help me to avoid making the same mistake twice. I have had people let me go on and on without correcting me... :(

Had a great time today meeting with the Hallings and LetsShrug at LS's house. It was a enjoyable time of good conversation and quite a few laughs, followed by a really tasty burger and fries. :)

The only shame, is that we can't do this again anytime soon.

A real pleasure guys. Thanks for inviting me.

Agreed. :) powerful and sly.

Hahaha. You're not the first. Kh might have been tho. :)

Now I understand you (at last).
I have come across it several times, where admiration turns to adulation. Of course, I've been an Objectivist and apprentice Objectivist probably longer than many have been around. I've seen some come and seen some go, and seen them become Libertarians, Conservatives, or undesignateds. Her presence was a powerful personality and those who tried to stand up to her to put her down either in print or in person usually wound up battered and bloody. If you sincerely wanted to learn, however, she could be a terrific teacher with, believe it or not, a sly sense of humor.

Posts are not gender specific, y'know. Thanks for the heads-up. And to LS -- Sorry, I didn't mean to trans-gender you.

We had a great time! :)

Lol yes, please.

I'm going to pass that one to db. :)

My bad...

and the fact that Rand was an original, an import,
a sole inventor who integrated all of U.S. history --
yes, the good parts -- into a cohesive fabric which
we can carry into the future proudly ... was tantamount
to miraculous. . as a kid, I was awestruck. . as an
adult, I still am -- seasoned awestruck. -- j
.

Other than she owned herself and can do what she pleases I don't see an objectivist angle to it. I found her to be easily manipulated, and seeking the approval of a man that she was mesmerized with based on looks and money. He was abusive and messed up in his head. I did not get the attraction at all, and it was not well written either. I only read book one, which ended with him belting her across the face. That was enough for me. It also says something about the female mind set in this country that they gobble up fantasies of abuse by a man just because he's glommed onto her (stalker style, and that creep factor is practically unnoticed and quickly forgiven, again, because of his steely good looks and wealth).....It's shallow fantasies of a very young woman. But if that's what she wants to put up with that's her choice...which is what I say about all women, and men, in abusive relationships.

I just got back -- OA beat me to it! -- j
.

I'm all for reveling in clarity. :)

I did too understand it and it's the deist bit that I was addressing mostly. AR's brilliance is recognized and appreciated, but she was REAL, with a human brain, not some mystical creature demanding worship. If there are those who do then they've missed the entire premise.