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  • Posted by Stormi 12 years ago
    I have been following this school transition for about 20 years now. It began in earnest with Outcome Based Education, the non-computerized version of Common Core. Bill Clinton had the Governor's School for gifted students in Ark. They were fed the one world socialism crap. They were manipulated in psychological ways, leading to at least one suicide while he was Governor. England was into it big, and warned that it had created a "brain drain" there, and urged Clinton not to go down that path as President. Of course, the Clintons embraced it. Kindergarten kids here were taken out of classes to a room with one teacher and a stuffed dolphin, where Duso the Dohphin told then what to think and not to trust or accept parental values, and not to tell parents. Parents were not told of this, I found out two years after the fact, and I was a room mother! By 5th grade, I was alert, and found some classes having group hypnosis, all 6th grade classes having Maslow group therapy, which Maslow late in his career said was dangerous and should not be done outside a professional's office. Here was a teacher, taking over each class each week, putting 9 year olds in a circle and telling all the other kids to say whatever they wanted to him, but the center child had to remain silent. One in my daughter's class tried to kill himself. We fought the principal, school board and superintendent, but, because of tenure, could only get her moved to the high school! We found this was not isolated, but was common across the US, and similar techniques were used at Columbine. In high school there was values clarification, which students were again forbidden to take out of the classroom, for fear parents would find out. I had a lesson stolen so I could review it - and it was bad. All this time, how much academics was lost?
    Now, students will not have textbooks to take home, it will all be on tablets with Gates' software, to which parents will not have access. The same Gates who stood before a group on video and told by how many million people the world population had to be reduced to get zero CO2 growth! During that talk he said, vaccines were the way to go. He also had stock in the vaccine company.
    Common Core is not about increasing academic achievement, although more may go to college, but not college as we knew it. The plan is to bring the academic level of all to a more closely equal level across country borders. Dumbing down and brainwashing. During the Clinton years, the NEA had a took for teachers only, "The Change Agents Guide", I had to lie to get it, It taught teachers about disarming parental issues with curriculum changes. During that time, in some schools, Nevada was one, students who wanted to go to college, were told they needed casino workers and they should go in that direction instead. In Ky., a 15 year old wanted to date on school nights, courts ordered her parents to allow it, she got pregnant, parents were ordered to pay for an apartment for her. Kids are told to use the threat of children's services against their parents. A neighbor's girl, 13, was sneaking out to meet boys at night. They grounded her. She had been trained at school that parent's don't know best. She called children's services from her bedroom phone in her room overlooking the swimming pool. They were forced to endure weeks of investigation because of what the school had taught her. Of course the UN is involved, they are mostly communists. Dumb down and control, that is the goal and academics is the last thing they want. They want a few elite to have the leaning and the rest will be worker ants. That is the fate quiet parents are helping create for their children.
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    • Posted by 12 years ago
      Whoa.
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      • Posted by Stormi 12 years ago
        First, when Duso came to our schools, it was little about breathing and a lot about setting kids apart from their parents, telling them they did not have to accept their values, yet keeping it secret from parents. Something similar was done to students at Clinton's Governor's School, but at an older age. We are talking little kids, being made to feel a dolphin wants them to think certain things.
        Nest to the Change Agent's Guide, Second Edition is what i have here, obtained from the publisher after they refused to sell to a friend who was not a teacher. I was on the Strategic Plan Team, which made a small stretch for me to get it. It was NOT on Amazon in those days.
        The book is based on Hegelian principles of education, those embrace by Dewey, who literacy was the greatest obstacle to socialism. The book guides teachers in how to sell the curriculum, so parents will accept social programs as replacements for academics.
        Ron Havelock did indeed write it, with Steve Zlotolow, releasing it in 1973 and again in 1995 In fact, he wrote two books, "Training for Change Agents" and "Change Agents Guide to Innovation in Education." The problem is, that innovation is code for change to socialism.
        As the school administration uses the Delphi Technique, this book leads teachers in subtle methods to marginalize and neutralize parental objections to the predetermined outcome of socialistic changes in the schools. Saul Alinsky used the similar Alinsky Method in community organizing to sell Marxism. One of our group back then was actually from Missouri and in touch with parent there, who found precisely the same programs and exercises there as in Ohio, Florida and Kentucky. It was nationwide, we soon found, as Colorado was into this stuff big time.
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  • Posted by Sextant 12 years ago
    What Common Core does not allow for is the late awakening for the human mind, spirit and intellect.

    In England, students are categorized on how they will be productive functioning units in their society at a early age.

    America is going down that road, and when we do, many of the 'late bloomers' will be denied that opportunity excel and reach their greatest potential and move themselves and mankind forward.
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  • Posted by lmarrott 12 years ago
    The alarming thing for me is that my father, mother, step-mother, sister, and sister-in-law, are all teachers and lots of them don't see these things.

    I get into arguments with my dad (and my step-mom, but don't get me started) because I'm against Common Core and he has read the government provided talking points and says how good it is. It's hard for me to convince them to really take off the blinders and see what is going on there. I don't know if it's because they are teachers or what, but if they don't get it, how do we get everyone else to get it.

    I know as a Parent I get alarmed reading about all of this and worry about my kids. I try to get as much information out of them as I can about school. Unfortunately I'm not in a position to home school or private school or I would do it in a heartbeat!
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    • Posted by 12 years ago
      Most teachers can't see past their pensions. Having a government, ANY government, in the business of teaching kids is lunacy. But until more parents wake up and start screaming (and teachers too) we're on the fast track to socialism.
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      • Posted by Robbie53024 12 years ago
        As the parent of a soon (fingers crossed very tightly) to be teacher, I don't think that you can paint the profession with such broad strokes.
        They, like much of our society, are dominated by a very vocal minority. Most teachers are truly interested in the children in their care. Some, like those related to lmarrott, seem to be naïve and/or mis-guided about CC. This comes, I think, from the fact that the macro vision of it seems reasonable (although I don't agree with it at all). Everyone with a uniform and high standard learning a minimum core of knowledge. The insidiousness is in the micro; the execution. It is infused with progressive ideology and viewpoints with nothing to counter it. For example, one lesson on critical analysis has the student examining a web-site and evaluating it for its ability to convince its point of view. I think that's a viable lesson, but guess which web-sites are presented to the student - all lefty. Another lesson on persuasion (again, a useful topic) asks the students to pick 2 amendments from the bill of rights and write a persuasive argument on why they should be eliminated, and write a persuasive argument on what one new amendment should be added. For mature individuals that can distinguish a thought experiment from indoctrination, this might be fine, but these middle school students will not be able to understand the distinction.
        Sorry for the novel, I've been quite involved in this locally and am hoping that our governor will have a strong stand against CC in his State of the State address this evening.
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        • Posted by 12 years ago
          They do the same thing with "comprehension" reading exercises...use a leftist topic in the script. I work with great teachers..they care, but here's my problem...they don't research common core, they just believe what the spoon fed and accept it as good. (Most of them as far as I can tell aren't bucking any of it.) They won't KNOW what they're dealing with until it's in their lap and if they realize at that point that some of this stuff is instilling liberal think, but keep doing it because they want to retire soon... is that principled? Can you still say they 'care' about teaching? Seems like a huge conflict to me unless they speak out against it and refuse to do those assignments. Time will tell but I'm not holding my breath.
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  • Posted by dcnotpc 12 years ago
    Gives a whole new potential for the Blue Screen of Death! If a kid doesn't fit into their cookie cutter mold what will happen?
    We need to push back and encourage Open Source learning and Creativity.
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  • Posted by ssnyh 12 years ago
    What is he saying without speaking? Here's the guess I'll venture: We have tomorrow's leaders, people like me. All we need now is people to follow those leaders.
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  • Posted by rlewellen 12 years ago
    Before Common Core it was refferred to as No Child Left Behind. At that time there was a meeting with politicians Microsoft and other software suppliers, the Chamber of Commerce, the NEA was included at the last minute. This was where it all began. In countries like China and Japan the children have school 6 days a week, then they study until bed time everyday is that a standard you want to set at home?
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    • Posted by 12 years ago
      I do not want the government, the UN, the unions, and so on and so forth calling the shots on education at all. This should be done locally with HUGE parental involvement on how and what should be taught (IF homeschooling is not an option for them). Having government pick curriculum is a recipe for disaster and this have been proven repeatedly throughout history. Face facts, the ONLY people who REALLY have their child's best interest at heart are their parents. Not the NEA, not Microsoft, not any politician trying to get reelected, not even teachers who have a golden pension forever in the backs of their minds making a ching ching sound and pushing them go along with whatever bogus class assignments become mandatory so they don't lose it... and certainly NOT the UN either. I could go on for days about the issues that public schools have..(march in a quiet line)... but I'm tired.
      How the HELL did China and Japan get brought into this? We can't come up with our OWN ideas/models/plans to educate our OWN kids to the highest level they can possibly achieve? Wow.
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      • Posted by rlewellen 12 years ago
        When they look at how our kids do compared to other countries, guess who is at the top of the list.
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        • Posted by ObjectiveAnalyst 12 years ago
          Hello rlewellen,
          The contrast is disappointing. I wonder what all the reasons are. In my day I had a lot of homework that extended my daily learning period. The other day I heard a story that stunned me. A study was done and found that many parents were doing their children's homework... We also had no computers or even calculators. We had to train our brains... It sounds like much of the curriculum has changed also. I don't know...
          Respectfully,
          O.A.
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          • Posted by 12 years ago
            Kindergarten parents sign their initials that their homework is done, when they haven't done it all. The problem with education goes deeper than schools...and schools can't fix this (and don't want too either). Some parents simply don't have a vested interest in their kid's education. Think about this a minute. Is there any kind of fear of failure anymore? I mean, they KNOW their kids will never go hungry, or not have a roof over their heads no matter how stupid they are...so really...why bother caring or noticing what they're learning OR being taught. The GOVERNMENT WILL TAKE CARE OF THEM. THAT way of thinking needs to change or nothing else will. Freedom means free to succeed and free to fail...your choice. That choice has been remove by the same assholes who want to choose our kids' education. HELLO!
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            • Posted by Bobhummel 12 years ago
              It may just be an anecdotal observation, but haven't almost every one of the spelling bee champs been home schooled? Isn't home schooling on the chopping block under common core? Can't have any free thinkers out their going against the system! Giving your child the intellectual tools to survive is the greatest responsibility a parent has. Unfortunately, many parents just want to be a child under the custody of the state.
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            • Posted by Hiraghm 12 years ago
              WHY should the parents have an interest in their kids' education?? Most of the time anymore, they had the kids to feeeeeel good. The pleasure of sex; the celebrity of pregnancy, the power of parenthood.
              Darn few of them are actually interested in creating a human being, imo.
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          • Posted by rlewellen 12 years ago
            I didn't list all the possibilities. What I listed is a significant factor. My cousin has an exchange student from China I discussed this with him. I worked with Japanese and an Indian they sent their kids to Japanese school and Indian school on Saturdays. I wanted to become a teacher I took classes last year. I asked the professor about the difference in test scores and she said they spent much more time on homework in those countries. There are other factors such as a higher income household exposes kids to a larger vocabulary. Some lower income houses do not provide support at home or reinforce what the kids are taught at school. There are many factors involved. Teacher led instruction does not reinforce learning as much as active participation. I saw the computer learning options and it was extremely dry. A great teacher can turn the most boring subject into something fascinating and understandable.
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            • Posted by ObjectiveAnalyst 12 years ago
              I quite agree. I had some horrible teachers, some that were ambivalent and some that really inspired me. I found encouragement much more motivating than punishment.
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              • Posted by 12 years ago
                Teachers are being stifled in many areas. They need to fight back...but then they'd be fighting the union. It's a pickle...but it's a pickle that needs to be dealt with. Most aren't equipped to do it.
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                • Posted by Robbie53024 12 years ago
                  My daughter is currently in a teacher curriculum at a Big Ten school - she wants to be a math teacher. They are indoctrinating these future teachers in these methods. I keep trying to open her eyes, but being her parent, I clearly don't have the same level of competency as her leftist professors. Sad.
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                  • Posted by amagi 12 years ago
                    Dear Robbie, Competency in what ? A professor at
                    Oregon University was quoted as saying: "Give me
                    any student, and within an hour I shall have made a
                    socialist out of him." (And that is from a very
                    reliable source.)
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                    • Posted by Robbie53024 12 years ago
                      Sure - offer to pay their tuition (which is overpriced due to the easy money and proliferation of "scholarships", which is nothing more than "spreading the wealth around".
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                • Posted by rlewellen 12 years ago
                  They would be fighting the principal and the principal would be fighting the state. The Union is not a proponent of Common Core or telling teachers how to teach. The Chicago teachers unions has been very outspoken on this issue.
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                  • Posted by 12 years ago
                    The unions line the pockets of politicians (the prez) and the prez is on board with common core...it's tied together (cronies). It must be some teachers banning together and being outspoken forcing the unions to make a stand, but that's a whole 'nother conflict. Probably they have no intention of anything changing, as this CC crap seems to be carved in the Agenda 21 stone so there's little threat to the unions even if they do play the roll of defending the teachers actively. That's the only way I can that scenario to add up.
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            • Posted by 12 years ago
              I know some fabulous teachers...our system is not set up to get the best out of our kids, or the best into our kids. Lack of parent involvement is HUGE...even some involved parents aren't really in the know. Decades ago this country took the parent out of education and now parents buy into this...it's the teacher's job not theirs. :( And income isn't as much of a factor as you might think...it can go both ways. Here in AZ we also have language issues. It should be considered abuse, in my opinion, to drop your kid off at school without EVER being exposed to English. It's a mean thing to do to a kid. They are lost from day one.
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              • Posted by Non_mooching_artist 12 years ago
                It's terrible. That has to be intimidating in the extreme. What are they supposed to do? How can it be expected that a teacher can focus solely on one child? There are other children who need his or her attention as well, for whom English is NOT a foreign language. Ugh.
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                • Posted by 12 years ago
                  And try to test a kid who can't speak the same language. Pointless. Again, another (bilingual) student gets utilized as a translator. And they're 5 so, that gets...messy. They become best friends with their translator and the translator doesn't really want that job...and should have to go to school to translate. ugh
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