each sperm looks alive to me. but not human.
beginning of human life is arbitrary.

with todays and tomorrow technology, we could create and/or "continue" the life of each sperm and egg so they could all be considered "sacred"
(cue Monty Python...). Conception is just as arbitrary as individual sperm or eggs, first cell divide, blastula development, nervous system and complexity, etc.

This every changing shade of gray area should be delegated to the person with the eggs, sperm,
and/or both.

Yeah, laws already exist prohibiting such behavior. I guess coroner and police reports so that they know that foul play was not involved. Now, there's a thought, hmmmm

Interesting you say that, I had this group recommended to me by the Facebook bot:
https://www.facebook.com/groups/22081...

Voluntary Human Extinction Movement (VHEMT)
They apparently pursue a philosophy that believes humans have done their damage and that they ought to help the world by not reproducing, thus leading to self extinction. They actually seem fairly well thought out about it.

"Life begins when life begins... by definition, that's at conception. "....

That's YOUR definition... please cite consensus views on "when life begins"... I can't seem to find any agreement on it... just a lot of people agreeing on a lot of different points... fertilization, implantation, X-number of weeks after implantation, etc...

Groups of people Agreeing on something is NOT proof or definitional! If you can see the difference.

If you disagree, again, the 'discussion' is moot.

Or, from the pdf I linked above....
(in dollars) out of their billion-dollar balance sheet...

STI/STD Testing & Treatment
STI Tests, Women and Men 3,728,111
Genital Warts (HPV) Treatments 42,933
HIV Tests, Women and Men 697,680
Other Treatments 584
4,469,308
Contraception
Reversible Contraception Patients, Women 2,129,855
Emergency Contraception Kits 1,590,133
Female Sterilization Procedures 821
Vasectomy Patients 3,749
3,724,558
Cancer Screening and Prevention
Pap Tests 492,365
HPV Vaccinations 38,535
Breast Exams/ Breast Care 549,804
Colposcopy Procedures 37,683
LOOP/LEEP Procedures 2,273
Cryotherapy Procedures 920
1,121,580
Other Women’s Health Services
Pregnancy Tests 1,148,249
Prenatal Services 19,506
1,167,755
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
Abortion Services
Abortion Procedures 327,166
<<<<<<<<<<<<<
Other Services
Family Practice Services, Women and Men* 41,359
Adoption Referrals to Other Agencies 2,197
Urinary Tract Infections Treatments 52,947
Other Procedures, Women and Men*** 26,805
123,308

" Planned Parenthood clinics rarely provide prenatal care for women who actually choose to give birth, pushing them off on Medicaid."

Link, please?

"... their right to birth"?
Care to elaborate on that, explain it or justify or defend that concept, please?
Thanks!

Do not, whatever you do, research anything about stem cell research, umbilical stem cells or anything like that.

and another, VERY cost-effective 'solution' is to make contraceptive methods available to anyone who wants them and can pay for them, with minimal restrictions on their availability or "legality," too!
Don't see too many folks carrying that flag...

AG, the question is moot... life begins at the point where people agree it begins. There is NO 'scientific' measure of 'life's beginning.'
Stop it!

Actually, I've often pointed out that the embryo/fetus is quite accurately a parasite to the carrier's body, too. Advocating Parasites' Rights?
:)

Strugatsky, check on how much 'public money' funds PP... for most folks, it's a LOT LESS than one might think...
http://www.plannedparenthood.org/file... is a nice one Google found... and PP is about a Billion-Dollar organization. Look where most of their expenditures are, too.

... assuming there aren't enough government laws against that kind of thing, which would keep your heirs in litigation or prison for a LONG time...
I support YOUR idea of 'freedom of choice' in such matters.

.. as in the mantra "be fruitful and multiply..."
but no comments about when to stop or even take the foot off the gas... Six Billion? Seven? Ten? Twenty?

And nobody can 'prove' "when the soul enters" or any other such belief.
AND implicit in that 'argument' is a 'definition of "alive" ' that is based on brain waves OR heartbeat... Which is NOT proof, but nothing more than consensus/agreement, no matter who mis-defines it or how.

Sorry.

No, first, that's not the question here unless you try to make it the question.
Second, the question may be simple but the answer, if any, leads to a VERY complex discussion.
Third, when I enter such a 'discussion,' my First Question is: "Define 'Life' and 'Begins' before we go any further," at which point most such 'discussions' implode, because the folks trying to make the case against abortion or choice refuse to define those concepts.
There are NO 'scientific' definitions of either term. And without that, any further 'discussion' is mental masturbation.

Sorry.

Depends if you're going for something in yourself, or doing it for him or some other external reason. Either way, he' not there anymore, but I sympathize with your loss.

And here's probably the most persuasive pro-abortion argument of all - you should be praising God for abortion - as the government pays parasites to reproduce, since Roe vs Wade there would have been tens of millions of parasites begetting hundreds of millions of newly hatched parasites. You and I would have been forced to supported them. And aside from our desire to do so, we just would not have been able to support that many stomachs. America would have collapsed a generation ago.
Of course, the government has found a solution to this dilemma - let them reproduce elsewhere and come here already in pupal stage, so that we can feed them. So, I suppose, America hasn't been saved after all...

I should have added that many of militant abortionists also see this as a "religion". After all, we know that communism evolved into a religion - complete with their god in a mausoleum. That said, "it's woman's body" is not the only argument. For me personally, the fact that there is detectable brain activity is not in any way a proof of conscience. Certainly the chicken that you have for lunch has at least that much. On the other hand, to breed dozens of unwanted children (per sow), often without any means to take care of them (or the breeders themselves), is the real crime. Of course, I would rather see the government getting out of the breeding business altogether and people using much better methods of birth control than abortion, but I'm dreaming again...

I agree with you. For religious people, this topic is pure emotion; objectivism has no place in it. Too bad. I think that good, valid reasons exist for both having and not having abortions, but the subject is completely outside of the bounds of reason.

http://www.parents.com/blogs/dadabase...

As far as I'm concerned, when the woman finds out she's pregnant.