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  • Posted by $ allosaur 11 years, 10 months ago
    Ah got me muh .45 Kimber semiauto hand cannon ah keeps in muh car. And ah keeps a 12-guage pump loaded wid double-aught buck by muh bed y'all. Sometimes luvs ter pretend that thar be my Bama accent but what ah said is no shee-it. Y'all talkin' so yippy-ti-yay gun tough done brought thet thar on.
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  • Posted by Eyecu2 11 years, 10 months ago
    Looks interesting but I think I will stick with my 12 Ga. loaded with #9 bird shot. Yes I know that is an awfully small shot size but I will respond that if I turn the first 2 or 3 inches depth of your chest to hamburger across an area the size of a pie pan. The damage is sufficient to stop anyone not to mention that the impact will knock anyone off their feet and move them across a room violently. Plus my ammo of choice is cheap and doesn't over penetrate. Additionally the impact of a 12 Ga at close range while it will not penetrate body amour it packs enough punch to disable at least temporally someone wearing body amour.
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    • Posted by squareone 11 years, 10 months ago
      I prefer #4 shot. Bystanders live and the assailant dies.
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      • Posted by Eyecu2 11 years, 10 months ago
        The reason I prefer lighter shot is that I do not have to worry about penetrating walls and possibly endangering people on the other side of the wall (I have kids and a small home). With #9 unless I am very close to the wall and miss the guy I am shooting at entirely a few pellets will not go through. Of course I have an auto without a plug so it has 7 rounds and I have no issue with a coup de gras after the guy is down though as stated before the wound would inflict sufficient trauma that the guy would likely die of shock quickly.
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    • Posted by cp256 11 years, 10 months ago
      I have a couple of cases of double ought buck and a Remington pump for home defense. No kids and I don't plan on missing. I won't even shout a warning, if the pump cycling doesn't get their attention then it is a Darwinian issue.
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  • Posted by Owlsrayne 11 years, 10 months ago
    I could safely say that the cost of this kind of round will be well over a dollar a round. It could range up to a few dollars each. A 7.62 x 25 round could cause similar damage and penetrate most body armor except the more sophisticated military type. The 7.62 only costs a dollar a round or less if you can find any. I'll stick to my CZ and the ACP 380 round for self protection. I hope I'll never have to use it. But, if the banks start to fail and people start to rise up against this gov't, I'm ready to protect my family.
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  • Posted by $ WillH 11 years, 10 months ago
    It is an interesting round, however there are some basic problems with it. First of all is the weight. Different bullet weights within the same caliber have different trajectories. This is why no one should ever practice with say 115 grain FMJ in 9mm then turn around and carry 147 grain self defense rounds. They two will have different flight paths. You will not be able to find practice ammo the same weight of this defensive round, unless you hand load 9mm Makarov into 9mm Luger cases.

    The government should not have anything to say about this on a federal level as the rules are clear. This round contains no explosive in it at all, so there is no reason to ban it. That will not stop the socialist states from banning it similar to the black talon bullet, but it should be no issue on the federal level.

    For me it breaks down to the fact that this is an interesting round, but it is new. I would not trust my life or my family's lives to it without more testing time and independent data.
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    • Posted by Robbie53024 11 years, 10 months ago
      Not sure that the first paragraph really applies for a self-defense handgun. If they are far enough away that that would matter, then run away.
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      • Posted by $ WillH 11 years, 10 months ago
        Most self defense situations are by the rule of threes. Three shots in three seconds from three feet. It is not always that way though.

        An example is a person deciding to intervene because another person's life is in danger. In that case you way well shoot from a lot further than a few feet.
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    • Posted by Boborobdos 11 years, 10 months ago
      At nearly point blank ranges that make up most defense situations the difference in trajectory is only of interest for the last decimal place...

      My suggestion would be to end practice with a slightly hotter load. I practice with 38 in my Ruger Secutiry 6 but go to the full .357 loads at the end of practice.
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