Good luck with that story.

Fred

Do you have a better solution to stop total evil when you're their target because you love freedom?? Do tell.

Range of the moment harangues.? You have been presented with facts from actual military, retired, people on this forum, who had first hand experiences which refute your broad claims of murdering women and children wantonly. How do you dare stand on your pedestal, accusing people you know NOTHING about of atrocities such as you put forth? Wolf pack?!? Hardly. I just don't condone bullies and talking heads speaking of something they know nothing about.

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Brilliant.

You can't be a strong nation by being a wimp. You stand for what you believe in or you believe in NOTHING ! Our soldiers are GOOD and defend our Constitution... It happens to be in the oath that they take to be soldiers. Accusing them of killing innocent children is a disgrace. FREEDOM is the most important part of capitalism... Which is what objectivism is built on... The freedom to produce. Oh, it's ok for over 3,000 innocent people here in New York, and yes, children were included, to be murdered... That's ok with you. Don't put our soldiers down in that way. There is no justification for making them the bad guys... You can NOT believe in freedom.

Oh, personal hostilities - You people need a reality check, what are you doing on an objectivist based forum ?? Puzzlelady...

I am puzzled... That's what people were saying during the cold war with Russia... Better red than dead... Rand said, " better dead than red." Find somewhere else to spew your communist bullshit. This IS an Objectivist site and you are not :-)

I think you're playing right into the extremists' hands. Every loosely-connected group of crooks has a story of how they're actually the good guys. We shouldn't validate their stories. The vast majority of people in the world want to live in peace and without violent criminals. The vast majority of people do business and are friends with people of different religious beliefs. We the vast majority needs police and courts to put the bad guys in jail and ignore altogether their stories about why they did it.

I'm in a weird position, because I'm an anarchist, but still very patriotic. I would prefer one other solution to facing Islam, but I don't think it would be available in time.

So for now I agree with you on what we should do, although the politics and tactics I would use are different. We should have treated Iraq like Japan during WW2, although the nukes may or may not have been necessary the premise is the same. You're facing a nation whose culture is at war with ours. We shouldn't of tried capturing or killing saddam, we should have had him surrender. It helps reduce the insurgents willingness to fight knowing their leader has laid down his arms. Then we should have built them a Constitution and told them to follow it, without shipping any material over. It's their country let them reconstruct it.

We should really flex our muscle in this issue, and target whatever keeps the leaders of all these groups involved in the fight and destroy that. You have to destroy what their fighting for.

"enema"? lol. Typo or intended?

That was before he decided to invade another country that we were allied with and had a mutual support treaty with. And in the process his troops were killing, rape women and children and stealing anything not nailed down, not to mention their scorched earth retreat from the oil fields.

Just what is your problem with us squashing a poisonous insect that bit us and killed all those people in NYC with his full help and endorsement?

My apologies. I certainly did misspell it and Schweinfurt. None of which means a thing about the subject. I never claimed to be a spelling bee winner.

Were you military, dependent or civilian?

I'd suggest you do some research about the goals, methods and exercise of "total war" since you seem to be badly unfamiliar with what it is. All war is horrible and by it's very intent inhumane, but the most inhumane war is the war that you fight and then ten years afterwards are forced to fight again. For example the gulf wars. Many anti war zealots lauded Bush's calling a end to Desert Storm after 100 hours, just as the troops of Saddam began a pullback. By doing that we failed to defeat him and he funded the terrorists that crashed planes into the WTC. We then had to go back in, lose more troops and finish Saddam off. Having NOT learned his daddies lesson, Bush II turned to winning hearts and minds BEFORE the fighting was over and in the ten or fifteen years we ARE going to be back there again, shedding more blood, spending more money and it will be far, far worse than this time.

Spelling of the city names vary depending on the culture that is making the map. Bamburg is spelled like this on Bavarian Maps, and West German Maps at the time I was stationed there. Since the unification has taken place, some names have changed slightly. US spellings are different yet. I'd suggest checking spellings in the language of the region before correcting.

I'm not saying I might not misspell a word now an then because I do, but not usually in the case of a name I typed THAT many times.

http://www.ezilon.com/maps/images/europe...

When we finished in Germany 1945 most cities have been laid waste. This was not true of all cities, just those which held a military interest. The cities of Swinfurt and Bamburg are case in point that I was very familular with since I spend a few years there.

Sweinfurt was a city that had heavy industry and where there were ball bearing, automotive, and airframe factories. The ruin from the Allied bombing Champaign can still be seen in some areas and the impact craters from huge bombs are visible in the nearby countryside where they made holes so deep that the farmers never bothered to fill them in, they just farm around them.

Bamburg was a university city around 50 miles from Sweinfurt that dates from 1100AD and is home to some truly unique architecture. It was also the seat of a pope at one point and there is a magnificent cathedral and several abbies there. (A side note; The Deep Dark Smoked Beer that is produced by one is the best I EVER tasted)

Bamburg had no industry but there was a small military garrison on the outskirts of town. In all of the war there was only ONE bomb ever dropped on the city and it's assumed that this was actually an error since it landed downtown and destroyed a Guesthouse.

The 3rd Infantry Division (both my fathers division and mine) fought to Sweinfurt and it was there that they sat up their German home to this day as far as I know. The 3rd ID also comtinued to fight into northern Bavaria, through Bamburg and down through Nuremburg, and points southward. A second half of 3rd ID split off in Bamburg and fought German soldiers up the Fulda Gap into the heart of Germany and into Leipzig. Not too far from Berlin they were notified that the surrender had been arranged.

Thirty eight years later I arrived in my Dads old outfit commanding a new battery as we fielded a new missile system I'd helped develop.

I believe that most German civilians would have surrendered long before our troops ever crossed into the Reine Valley, BUT, no war is ever over until the leaders of that country know they are beaten and are about to be destroyed. Ending battle sooner as we din during Desert Storm only allows them time to regroup and to come back at you later. As we saw with Saddam Hussein funding and backing the al-Qaida terrorists that destroyed the World Trade Center and killed 3500+ Americans. They never stopped fighting even though we did.

I don't know of any person on this site who advocates genocide, war or any other generalizations you've made. Get your facts straight. You've managed to insult the intelligence of everyone on here.