Hahaha!

If I heard about it I would be complaining. But I complain about everything.

Re: UncommonSense,

You are correct in your assessment above, but we must also keep in mind that a statement like " Islam is a religion of peace." tends to be a politically correct statement coming from a government official. I'm not stating that to make an excuse for Bush, but to remind us of the perceived notion that we shouldn't insult other peoples religions. I of course believe that government leaders should tell the truth as we see it without concerns for the feelings that might be hurt. Truth is always the best path to follow.

Fred Speckmann
commonsenseforamericans@yahoo.com

Re: Maphesdus,
A true distinction to keep in mind, however, the terrorist don't consider that distinction. because of that fact, we must attack the terrorist among Muslimd with all the force available to us.

Fred Speckmann
commonsenseforamericans@yahoo.com

Re: UncommonSense,

The slaughter under the dietary rules of Halal and Kosher are virtually the same. While your theory of the enjoyment of of the ritual of Halal may have some validity, there are other reasons for it. Both types of slaughter must also be done under the supervision of a religious authority of both religions. It's ironic that both versions of beliefs are so similar in so many ways.

Fred Speckmann
commonsenseforamericans@yahoo.com

As a criminologist, I know a bit about this that can shed some light and logic on the topic. Many African-Americans in prison come to Islam as a road to redemption from their past lives which were unstructured, illiterate, and harmful to others.

Islam's rigorous prayer schedule is the first structure they take upon themselves. Many have callouses on their foreheads from doing this - something you seldom see among native Muslims in those lands.

Men who never learned to read and write in English devote hours to learning a little Arabic to read some of the Qu'ran. It is a good way for them to spend their time in prison.

The civil status of prisoners is ambiguous. They lose their right to vote and to bear and keep arms. They do not lose their right to trial by jury to the right to petition the government (which holds them) for redress of grievances. They do not lose their right to freedom of religion. Their Ninth Amendment rights are highly arguable. Privacy and the right to travel do not exist for them. They do have a (limited) right to communications, letters, phone calls, etc., and that includes access to legal counsel.

Prisoners suffer rape and always have, both from other prisoners as well as from guards. Find out from a women's advocacy group about the pregnancies and abortions and babies born in prisons.

We call the most basic theorem in Game Theory "The Prisoner's Dilemma." It is a known strategy to reward betrayal with trust TWICE if you need to, in order to redefine the conflict as a cooperation. Cooperation is everything in any society and prisons are a society. If you cannot gain compliance from the prison population, no level of control can be enough - you might as well kill them all the way China does for tax evasion, monetary crimes, economic crimes, and victimless crimes. Most of the people in prison - 60% to 80% depending on how you read and interpret convictions - were incarcerated in the Drug Wars.

Re: Maphesdus,
To answer your question seriously, I would think it has something to do with the crimes for which they have been committed. For instance, I doubt that too many Jewish prisoners are in prison for wanting to kill everyone, while the Jewish prisoner more likely will be there for some less serious crime.

Fred Speckmann
commonsenseforamericans@yahoo.com

^5

This is just plain disgusting. Damn. It must be nice to have a roof over your head; heating, A/C, TV, internet, your butt-buddies, surrounded by security, the book of filth (I've read it, and yes, it is filth, any PC'ers here, I challenge you to go read it, including Reliance of the Traveller ~ Sharia Law) AND you get your meals EXACTLY as you want it prepared?? AT MY FLIPPING DIME!!

Is there some other country I can illegally move to, get into the criminal justice system (American Style, where they do get justice, the victim gets the shaft) and I can get everything I want at no cost? I must be doing something wrong. Why am I being productive again?

That's the ONLY reason he would say that. It is why we have come to this point.

Everybody is concerned with how we treat them. OK, I suggest we feed them just like they would feed us if we were their POW. I'm afraid that I cannot express the full "rules" for "caring" for Islamic POWs, but I was told about it once, once was enough. Pretty much it amounts to feeding them whatever you don't eat from a animal or plant. If they consider it unclean for them to eat, they can serve it to prisoners.

Or, we could feed them the same meals we serve our troops. A MRE a day, coffee and water and one hot meal when convenient or possible.

These people WANT to live in the 12th century, I think we should let them.

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Keep on believing that, at your own expense. Islam however, is and has been at war with The West since 822 AD. Who says? Mohammed says.

Who was the "perfect" muslim? Mohammed. What kind of muslim did Mohammed say is the best muslim? A radical one.

You really should read about the life of Mohammed to get a better idea on exactly his views on anyone who isn't a muslim. Perhaps the most ridiculously thing ever said about Islam came from Prez Bush said in 2002: "Islam is a religion of peace." ~ He was Owned.

Having spent many years in the South, I can tell you there are ways of having prisoners earn their keep as it were. I've seen work details, farm details and even mining details working away and paying for their keep. It is barbaric at times, but it works, so to speak.
The best way I've seen is to have the prisoners work on the prison farm, like a field hand. this raises food for the entire population at absolute minimum cost to the state and thus the tax payers.

Yes, women certainly are, aren't they? Oh, wait a minute, you're talking about Americans in general...my bad. :)

good thing you keep reminding us about this. we're so soft

nope. you're in prison. it's stressful. you've already done bad shit-you're already going to hell-might as well eat pork

Halal: The deliberately slow process of killing the animal. The throat is slit down to the spinal cord ~ not enough to immediately kill it, but enough that it takes much longer for the animal to die while it's heart keep pumping the blood out.

Remember: with Islam, it's really not about death; it's about the ENJOYMENT of watching SUFFERING. It doesn't matter whether it's an animal, an Infidel, a true non-believer (atheist, which are the first ones Muslims go after), or a woman, or child. For them, watching suffering, or thinking about the suffering that happened (halal meat) gives them the damn near same feeling as if they watched pornography.

Not sure about the Kosher deal...I thought it was about pickles. :)