I H**E INCOME TAX! But if I can't have an end user consumption tax. I'll go with this plan as an alternative in the meantime step in the right direction.

Posted by $ MichaelAarethun 10 years, 8 months ago to News
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The only thing I found wrong or not mentioned is mentioning that businesses do not pay taxes they collect them for the government and pass the amount on to the consumer under the COG Cost of Government heading.

With that caveat said - I told you this candidate was a much better choice than the RINOS ......Someone else finally picked up on it.... this one could have gone under Economics but it's really news worth reading.

In the article below at http://townhall.com it's embedded with links the whole way through on the key points

http://townhall.com by Daniel J. Mitchell

"Give him credit. Most elected officials are content to tinker at the edges, but Governor Jindal of Louisiana actually wants to solve problems.

Look what he’s done, for instance, on fiscal policy.

He sought to abolish his state’s personal income tax, a step that would have dramatically boosted the states competitiveness.

That effort stalled, but he actually has been successful in curtailing state spending. He’s amassed one of the best records for frugality of all governors seeking the GOP presidential nomination.

And he’s now joined the list of presidential candidates seeking to rewrite the internal revenue code.

Since we’ve already reviewed the tax reform plans put forth by Rand Paul, Marco Rubio, Jeb Bush, and Donald Trump, let’s do the same for the Louisiana governor.

Regular readers hopefully will recall that there are three big problems with the current tax code.

High tax rates that undermine incentives for work and entrepreneurship.
Double taxation of income that is saved and invested, reducing capital formation and wages.
Loopholes that hinder economic efficiency by distorting the allocation of resources.

Let’s see whether Governor Jindal’s plan mitigates these problems.

On the issue of tax rates, the Louisiana Governor replaces the seven rates in the current system with three rates, starting at 2 percent. And instead of a top rate of 39.6 percent, the maximum penalty on work and entrepreneurship would be 25 percent.

He also abolishes the marriage penalty and gets rid of the alternative minimum tax (a perverse part of the code that forces people to calculate their taxes a second time, based on a different set of rules, with the IRS being the only beneficiary).

Regarding double taxation, one of the big problems in the current system is that corporate income is taxed at both the business level and the shareholder level. Most proposals seek to fix this problem by reducing or eliminating the tax burden on dividends on households. Governor Jindal, by contrast, would keep that tax and instead abolish America’s corporate income tax, which is probably the worst in the world.

In one fell swoop, that bold piece of reform also solves many other problems. You don’t have to worry about the tax bias of depreciation. You don’t have to worry about the anti-competitive policy of worldwide taxation. And you wipe out a bunch of corrupt tax preferences.

The plan also would create universal savings accounts that would be free of double taxation (a policy that has been very successful in Canada). Jindal’s plan also eliminates the death tax, though there would still be a capital gains tax.

Shifting to loopholes, the disappointing news is that the charitable deduction is untouched and the home mortgage interest deduction is merely trimmed. But the positive news is that the state and local tax deduction apparently goes away. And because the abolition of the corporate income tax automatically gets rid of the loophole for fringe benefits such as health insurance policies, the Governor also proposes to create an individual deduction for those costs.

The net effect of all these changes is that the tax code will be far less punitive.

The Tax Foundation is the go-to place for analysis on the economic and revenue impact of tax reform plans. Here’s what they predicted would happen to the economy if Jindal’s plan was adopted.

GDP:14.4%

Capital Investment: 38.3%

Wage Rate: 8.7%

Full-time Equivalent Jobs (in thousands): 5,886

Now let’s end with two observations that may be more political than economic.

First, Jindal’s plan is a huge tax cut. About $10 trillion over 10 years according to the experts at the Tax Foundation. In this regard, Jindal is in the same league with Trump, who also proposed a very large tax cut. Paul, Rubio, and Bush, by contrast, have much more modest tax cuts.

This is a good thing, of course, assuming candidates have serious plans to restrain – and perhaps even cut – federal spending. I don’t lose sleep about whether there’s a balanced budget in year 5 or year 10, but a tax reform plan with a big tax cut isn’t serious unless there’s a concomitant proposal to shrink the burden of government spending.

Second, Jindal proposes to have all Americans pay some income tax. That’s the purpose of the 2-percent rate in his plan. His argument is quite explicit: “Every citizen needs to help row the boat, even if only a little.”

This is an appealing argument. While Mitt Romney was wrong in his assertion that 47 percent of the population was part of the dependent class, we don’t want too many people riding in the wagon and thinking government is “free.”

P.S. If you’re curious about Jindal’s position on other policy issues, he has a good track record on education. He implemented some good school choice reform, notwithstanding wretched and predictable opposition from the state’s teachers’ union."


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  • Posted by freedomforall 10 years, 8 months ago
    It's an income tax.
    No more anti-production compromises.
    Rejected.
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    • Posted by $ 10 years, 8 months ago
      True but I cleaned it up and took out the word H_t_ it's really a good read and the author put the links to everyone else's plan so it's a little compendium .

      It all covers a lot more than income tax and does it from the point of view of the State Not the Federal level.

      One was his wanting to dump their income tax which had the top tier at 38% to match feds 38% at that time. That's his foot in the door stuff.

      Believe me I wouldn't have bothered if it was on the level of Trump or Pelosi....but what else you have?

      A big group of non candidates apparently all belonging to the Government Party.....even Rand failed to measure up.

      So did you actually read the whole thing links and all? Or stop before paragraph 3. That's got more to recommend Jindall than all the others plans put together.

      I still gave you a thumbs up for going in the right direction.
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      • Posted by freedomforall 10 years, 8 months ago
        I read the text you put in this topic, but I think any income tax is unjust, counterproductive, unconstitutional, and traitorous to the foundation of America.
        No, I didn't look at the rest of Jindal's proposals.
        He wants all Americans pay income tax. That is enough for me to say "NO, thanks."
        Did he swear to close the fed?
        The fed and the income tax have to go for the republic to have a chance.
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        • Posted by $ 10 years, 8 months ago
          No but the author of the article pointed out the slip ups as well as the good points. They did say whatever happened it would have to go hand in hand with government spending cuts and a real balanced budget not that phony baloney crap from Clinton. There were a group of items I had not considered or known about but then you don't want to learn ...your perogative.
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          • Posted by freedomforall 10 years, 8 months ago
            First, your conclusion is an insult without any grounds.
            Second, if you want someone to look at the links in the article, then give a link to the article, not just to a web site that has heaps of articles.
            I looked. Here is the link:
            http://townhall.com/columnists/daniel...

            But the bottom line is: keeping the income tax is unacceptable. He keeps the bureaucracy of the IRS. Yes, those looting SOBs that do the president's political dirty work and lie about it even when their complicity is obvious. Fire those 100,000 parasites, and remove the temptation forever.
            That would also mean about 500,000 accountants would have to find productive employment, too. According to
            http://mercatus.org/publication/hidde...
            Americans waste 6 Billion hours a year complying with income tax filing requirements.
            This is inexcusable and completely unneccesary waste.
            There is more. It is estimated that income tax issues change the rational decision process for all taxpayers and cause inferior results amounting to $431 billion per year.
            OK, this is likely an exaggerated number, but consider all the houses that are bought only to get tax benefits. How much of those investments could be used to colonize space or cure Alzheimers or produce a better toilet for your boat?
            See this document:
            http://www.laffercenter.com/wp-conten...

            I do give credit to Jindal for his proposal on corporate tax, but the downside is that this may be an indication of who he is working for and who he will cater to in the job of president. I agree that the ultimate payer of those taxes are the customers, but it gives me no confidence in the ethics of the man when he continues the unconstitutional, anti-productive burden on the individual while he removes it from the corporations.
            Jindall certainly is not the worst candidate. He just isn't good enough to get my support ... yet.
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            • Posted by $ 10 years, 8 months ago
              Shame you didn't scroll down there was only one Daniel and that in the top group. EDIT you were right about that link it did it again however I'll try it in sections

              http://townhall.com/columnists/daniel...

              /governor-jindals-bold-reform-plan-slashes-revenue-to-dc-abolishes-the-corporate-income-tax-n2063313

              that did it but you only need the first batch probably.


              Accountants are like lawyers. they don't count. Like buggy whip makers they have to learn a new profession.

              As for the thin skinned of which FFA is not.... insulting is not necessarily a bad device if it gets people's attention... your turn.

              Ode to Prince Albert of Bore

              Put it to rhyme
              One line at a time
              The election rout
              Was never in doubt

              Two centuries three decades
              Have passed in a flash
              There's been enough time
              To cry, moan and whine.

              You could have amended
              But couldn't be tempted
              Electoral still wins
              Despite tears and whims

              No matter the issue
              It flew by and missed you
              With never a question.
              What need of elections?

              The old constitution?
              There's a new substitution
              They'll tell us what's right
              Three knocks in the night

              Took your couch and your house,
              For some mooching louse.
              All that's left from the past
              Is a couch potato ass.

              I'm here to learn, but mostly to recruit or be recruited.

              The bottom line is without seizing control the rest is just 'talk.'

              Everything is not second or third place.Everything else stays dead last.
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  • Posted by $ Abaco 10 years, 8 months ago
    I don't expect that the tax code will ever receive real reform. It's too valuable to the machine. I was just thinking about this last night. After my workout I jumped in the pool late last night. As I got out I looked at my house and remembered that I haven't taken a mortgage deduction for almost a couple decades. I just buckled down and have been able to live without debt. The thought reminded me ,as I dried in the cool fall air, that the government really wants everybody in debt. You're more easily controlled if you're in debt. Hence...the code we've got.

    Over 20 years ago I sat in a friend's living room for a small "town hall meeting with Vic Fazio" (remember that name?). I asked him if there was any hope of a flat tax as we had been hearing proposed. He said, "Well...then we'd have to do away with the mortgage deduction, and that would hurt the building industry." (think about that statement). I replied, "If you give me a tax rate like I'm hearing proposed you can rest assured I'll go buy another house." He looked at me as if to say "f&%$ you".
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    • Posted by $ 10 years, 8 months ago
      You can tell how much interest there is in talking and how much in learning or doing something. Oh well. Back to the Devil's Advocate Strategy ...maybe if the screws were turned a bit tighter the couch potatoes would learn how to stand.
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  • Posted by $ 10 years, 8 months ago
    What to do? Read the article and as many of the links as you need. Note where Jindall has strayed too far and write up a better position. Remind him it's not only Rinos and a few others it's all those people in Voter Category Three the other two belonging to Debbie Wasserman.

    Disenchanted, Disaffected, Disenfranchised, un registered or if registered do so as independents OR as one of the splinter parties or THE third party. You know the list better than I. Those who figure why vote if the we're on the outside and they steal our votes under the winner take all rules. It's 30% to 50% of the voting age population. Some will vote for the lesser of, some for the way Daddy and Grand Daddy voted. Some won't bother to vote at all. For each one their is an approach. (in any discussion there are three possible conclusions two are wrong and one is right., have you noticed this isn't the party of Jefferson nor Roosevelt anymore? Have kids approaching 18 Did you know the draft law is still in effect only wanting a quick vote of congress to go into action? etc. For those that are useless to talk to follow AR advice - turn and walk away.

    Send what you have noted and written down to Governor Jindall and ask that he or his staff think about those votes laying around out there . Give their and your position and the reasons why without the rant.

    To be effective give each point a good headline and quick explanation and a brief summation

    And then say this is what you need to do to get our support. If you can make a step in our direction we can meet in the middle.

    Especially the anti income tax bit. 2% isn't too much it's an ....here we go....insult. Just like COLA.

    Send the same message to the Freedom Forty Coalition, Rand and whoever else is NOT a RINO. Also to the people who write these columns. Doesn't take much to start fires. A lot of fires require a lot of time and effort and resources to put out. It costs them MONEY they don't have.

    That's what is called a plan of action. My first one is going to Wasserman's staff relating what I've already stated and a copy to the media...our media. Don't try this unless you are .....dedicated. In the old days we it was called a counter-insurgency I call it a counter revolution. They do not require tanks in the streets. Nor Bullets. They do require ballots. While while we still have them.
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