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Ayn Rand versus conservatives

Posted by Zenphamy 8 years, 5 months ago to Philosophy
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Since so much of Galt's Gulch Online content has become conservative headline aggregation posting and commentary over the last several months, let's discuss what Ayn Rand thought of conservatives and conservativism. She put forth quite a bit of commentary on the subject, particularly after Atlas Shrugged came out.

To put it bluntly, she considered conservatives as big a danger to this country as she did liberals/progressives, considering both leading the country down a path towards statism, socialism, anti-capitalism, and most importantly-anti-freedom. Following is just one quote, there are a number:

“Conservatives”

Objectivists are not “conservatives.” We are radicals for capitalism; we are fighting for that philosophical base which capitalism did not have and without which it was doomed to perish . . .

Politics is based on three other philosophical disciplines: metaphysics, epistemology and ethics—on a theory of man’s nature and of man’s relationship to existence. It is only on such a base that one can formulate a consistent political theory and achieve it in practice. When, however, men attempt to rush into politics without such a base, the result is that embarrassing conglomeration of impotence, futility, inconsistency and superficiality which is loosely designated today as “conservatism.” . . .

Today’s culture is dominated by the philosophy of mysticism (irrationalism)—altruism—collectivism, the base from which only statism can be derived; the statists (of any brand: communist, fascist or welfare) are merely cashing in on it—while the “conservatives” are scurrying to ride on the enemy’s premises and, somehow, to achieve political freedom by stealth. It can’t be done.

The Objectivist Newsletter

“Choose Your Issues,”
The Objectivist Newsletter, Jan, 1962, 1

So What Do You Think Conservatives


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    Posted by james464 8 years, 5 months ago in reply to this comment.
    Again, my answers do not avoid your questions...why do you avoid mine? Calling someone stupid by using a synonym just shows the lack of depth of your thinking. If you think it a waste of time to answer my questions, then I would check your reasoning.
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  • Posted by 8 years, 5 months ago in reply to this comment.
    I think you refuse yourself in the neighborhood. All we ask is that you use the facilities of your mind in a rational, logical process of reasoning. But doing that is totally volitional--up to you. The "truth" you continue to try to proselytize is a fallacy and based entirely in your imagination and emotions as well as your lack of confidence in yourself and a fear of your death.
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  • Posted by $ AJAshinoff 8 years, 5 months ago in reply to this comment.
    You have faith that in coming her you will find other of like mind and conviction to speak with, no? Perhaps hope would have been a better word choice but the meaning in the way the word was used would lead to the same conclusion. Either-way faith is hope. To deny that you came to this site, supported the movies, and continue to discuss the tenants of Objectivism in order to invite others to the same conclusions that you have (the reason for this site) would be disingenuous.

    Taking a point for what I said is as petty as it is myopic.
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  • Posted by conscious1978 8 years, 5 months ago in reply to this comment.
    Conflating 'faith' (belief without or contrary to evidence) with other concepts, like 'confidence', 'understanding', 'respect', or 'trust', is an inaccurate package deal that ignores the meaning of those words.

    "Objectivists" are not a sect of believers adhering to dogma. They're just people that recognize, understand, and agree with the rationale of Objectivism. As with any 'normal' group of people, there are varied levels of learning and comprehension. Who they are and what they do does not define Objectivism.

    In response to information about existence, there is a point at which the "inevitable human question" becomes absurd. Reality is the final arbiter.
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  • Posted by ewv 8 years, 5 months ago in reply to this comment.
    Having seen what else he has written I no longer give him the benefit of the doubt as trying to understand. He's pushing "innocent" sounding questions he thinks cannot be answered, hoping to undermine and cause confusion amongst the "infidels" led by the nose. He ran into serious answers he can't handle and the mask slipped with snarky comments and religious dogmatism.
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  • Posted by ewv 8 years, 5 months ago in reply to this comment.
    Your premise is false. This has been explained many times. Take your anti-Ayn Rand belligerence somewhere else.
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  • Posted by ewv 8 years, 5 months ago in reply to this comment.
    The forum is for people who want to discuss Ayn Rand seriously and honestly, not fanatical religious trolls misrepresenting what they don't understand.
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  • Posted by ewv 8 years, 5 months ago in reply to this comment.
    Take your "revelations" of the "outside" somewhere "outside" this forum. Your disingenuous sophistry pushing for "divine revelation" obviously does not belong on a forum for Ayn Rand's philosophy of reason whether or not you are still capable of understanding why.
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  • Posted by ewv 8 years, 5 months ago in reply to this comment.
    Truth is correspondence with reality, to be understood by the reasoning mind. You don't "give" the infidels 'The Revealed Truth' bypassing any attempt to "convince". This is a forum for Ayn Rand's philosophy of reason, not for religious trolls behaving like obnoxious Jehovah's Witnesses. Take your evangelical "giving" of mysticism somewhere else.
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  • Posted by ewv 8 years, 5 months ago in reply to this comment.
    Reason's "place" is the use of the mind for living on earth, not an alternate contradictory "faith in reason" in subservience to your revelations.
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  • Posted by ewv 8 years, 5 months ago in reply to this comment.
    One person's happiness is not another person's unhappiness, is not "dog eat dog", and that is not the "social order" advocated by Ayn Rand or this forum. Did you read Atlas Shrugged? Do you know anything about it or are you here just to promote religion and denounce the infidels?

    Human reason makes happy and thriving human life possible. Your fantasies of arbitrary "revelations" into otherworldly mysticism on behalf of the supernatural do not. The overthrow of religious domination by the Enlightenment emphasis on reason resulted in only a few hundred years in a magnificent human advancement and prosperity undreamed of in the thousands of years dominated by religion.

    In contrast, "Faith and force... are corollaries: every period of history dominated by mysticism, was a period of statism, of dictatorship, of tyranny." -- “Faith and Force: The Destroyers of the Modern World” in Philosophy: Who Needs It? https://estore.aynrand.org/p/218/phil...

    Yes, the irrationality of a "desire" for otherworldly immortality is a "cardinal flaw".
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  • Posted by ewv 8 years, 5 months ago in reply to this comment.
    Your faith in revelation is not reasoning at all. It is the opposite of reason. There is no "divinity of Ms. Rand's ideals". Your snarky comments show that your "innocent" questions have been disingenuous.
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  • Posted by ewv 8 years, 5 months ago in reply to this comment.
    We don't have "gods" here and discussing and defending a philosophy of reason does not make the originator a "god". Please pay attention to the purpose of the forum.
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