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How then do YOU define reason?
(That's a feeling: my (reasoned) action is to ignore you.)
Do you know of the psychological defense mechanisms known as rationalization and intellectualization?
MountainLady's reply about being an individual has been moved several replies above.
I've seen my replies get shuffled around like that.
The emotions rage to react..There is no time. Assistance arises a verbal report made. A traffic accident specialist arrives same thing. the ambulance takes the driver of #2 the victim's car away too the hospital where a BA blood alcohol is ordered as a matter of routine. The driver of #1 based on evidence is removed from the vehicle, handcuffed and placed in a patrol vehicle
Photos are taken the whole system is in gear. The supervisor orders the responding officer to do ttwo things.
Go behind a bush..... and then when ready go to the hospital to supervise the BA procedures.
At that point emotion takes over....accompanied by vomiting....the mental image of the infant now being peeled off the inside of the windshield rules... For a few minutes. Then he states she was not wearing a belt, the child was not secured, they both need their rights read and proceeds to do that. Reason has taken control. The investigative procedure has turned into a double arrest. Who is ultimately responsible? That went to the court. Both were charged. The officer returns to the stations writes a report and asks for a ride home. Emotion has returned....but reason is still in control.
The difference. Emotion is a body function, an automatic control mechanism....with time and experiences much the same it
does a better job but then the officer is viewed as seasoned...and the vomiting takes longer to occur.
High stress situations combine the two. But the situation...the ground truth test demands reason.
Add a few additional elements such as a hostile crowd.... it's volatile. The only hope is reason.
Add 'no witnesses, no one saw anything' adds frustration.
Not a made up story....
What saves the day for all concerned is proper training and constant preparation and testing of one's abilities. The autopilot function of the brain takes over. No one remembers writing down the time or any number of other key but small points.
At least until after three or four of these situations. Paramedics and police face this sort of thing until it becomes routine an they try not to be calloused.
The woman driver in #2 was not drunk. She had taken some medications that induced drowsiness and had a clearly labeled warning.
She was still charged with reckless endangerment contributing to the death of her own child. i's dotted, t's crossed it went ot he court system and the jury, two lawyers, a judge and ... at least one psychiatrist. She later took some other medications..... too many of them. Some one elses turn
That was decades ago - the images are gone. But not the memories. Those are part of the function of reason and no amount of wishful thinking or mystical experience will change what happened.
"A well ordered soul has the reason in charge of the passion."
But
"If the reason has charge of the passion then passions become trained and then when they are trained every good choice is an interplay of thinking and desiring and the whole soul comes together to produce it."
Sorry, reading an annotated copy of the Federalist papers and this topic, which I found interesting, came up.
My dog is my best frriend. My dog is faithful. I kinow that because of his actions. My dog dies, I am despondent.I am sad. I have lost my best friend. What are my actions. Perhaps a symbolic funeral in the back yard which serves to bury the past and my emotions then I look for a new best friend. OR I burn down the dog house and vow never to have another best friend again but mourn for the rest of my life. Reason controls emotion or emotion negates the use of reason.
In any particular moment, we feel whatever we feel. We can't change what we are feeling because we are already feeling it.
However, we can certainly inquire into why we are feeling it - what do we believe to be true about the world such that we are feeling X in response to our understanding. Then, we can question that understanding and find a better understanding, one that is more true. Then, we will feel the feelings appropriate to that more truth.
In the process, we reason through our emotions.
Right?
However, it is possible to systematically challenge some core assumptions and build rational understanding based in reality. More importantly, it is possible to set this as a standard against which you will judge the status of any other thought/feeling.
It is a reverse bootstrapping. We question the given/habitual/inherited values/desires we wake up with today. We interrogate them. We challenge them. We discover the premises on which they are built and check them (against our best rationality). We correct/adapt/evolve/transform/replace them with increasingly rational/beautiful ones.
Then, we wake up tomorrow and inherit a different (more rational) set of thoughts/feelings values/desires.
Rinse. Repeat. But only forever.
At the bottom of this are basic desires - which are "prior" to our reason. They are our natural values - our values of human qua human. We don't choose those. We can (if we are rational/smart) choose to identify and integrate them into our value system and thereby integrate our desires and our value system - Reason.
You didn't learn that from Ayn Rand. Individual responsibility for reasoning in contrast to relying on other people yes, but not "value system based on emotions". Your emotions versus what others tell you is a false alternative. Proper values comes from reason and are objective. Pursuing values based on emotion is hedonism, not rational self interest. Personal subjectivism versus the collective subjective are both subjectivism.
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