You could also try Discount Tire and other national chains in their tire shop. They always have to take off the old weights to rebalance the tires at every rotation. They're probably free for the asking. 8-)

I do too but that propellant is getting so damned hard (more like impossible in the flavors I like) to find. Haven't seen any of the "dots" on the shelves out here in months and months!

Not a bad idea and more portable... thanks!

What about fishing weights? They come in larger sizes over 1 oz.

I saw this as well when it hit the news, and reacted with absolute disgust.

My first operational thought was were I Ares Arms, which I am not, there would be no record or customers list of my very cool paperweights. Oops, sorry, they must have gotten mixed up with that kindling newspaper, and guess that hard drive got thrown in the microwave... After all, they are just paperweights, so unless it has become BATFPwE it has no jurisdiction in the case, and no legal standing. Because you KNOW that once the baying curs have their tounges out and fnags showing they will not stop until they have drank the blood of their target.

And when they play one judge off against another (like a kid playing off 2 parents) you understand the maturinty and mentality of those kinds of people.

Of course its all moot... because even if the *do* say they did wrong and return the list and promise cross their hearts and stick a needle and all that they didn;'t make copies, no, not a one of our agents did.... do you believe them? That some yahoo employee wouldn't look at that and say "Hmmm, when Hillary gets elected, this is my ticket to an executive slot"?

I am SO glad I did NOT get an Ares Arms commemorative paperweight...

Just got this in an email about 80% lowers from Conservative Daily:

>Many law-abiding Americans prefer to avoid the background check process, not because they have something to hide, but because they would prefer that the government did not have a record of their purchases. However, a select few socialist states force their citizens to perform private gun sales through licensed firearm dealers as well, requiring background checks. In these states with universal background checks, it is nearly impossible to legally transfer a firearm without first acquiring government approval.

This has led many to seek an alternative route: building their own firearms. It is legal under Federal law to build a firearm for personal use, as long as the type of firearm is not prohibited. If you already know the intricacies of these laws, bear with me… While a firearm’s lower receiver (the part containing the trigger mechanics) requires a background check to be purchased from a dealer, it is perfectly legal to buy and sell 80% partial receivers without any background check at all. An 80% lower receiver is just what the name implies. The firearm is 80% completed and the user must complete the final 20% of machining before it can become a functional weapon. Without that last bit of work, the item is nothing but a paper weight in the shape of a gun.

As far as the law is concerned, these 80% receivers are not weapons. They are just pieces of metal or plastic. The government cannot regulate them because they are not legally firearms. However, the Bureau of Alcohol, Tobacco, Firearms and Explosives has begun going after individuals who sell and buy these legal, unregulated items anyway! On March 15, the ATF raided a manufacturer of these partial receivers and seized the company’s stock and client list. Once they are done destroying the business, they will go after the law abiding gun owners, even though they committed no crime!

The intricacies of firearm laws are pretty convoluted, but the general rule of thumb is that in order for something to be a firearm, it must be capable of performing a firearm's function in its current state.

If an object cannot function as a firearm, then it is nothing but a piece of metal or plastic. This difference is important because even the simplest of items can be transformed into a firearm. A Vermont man even famously made an AK-47 variant firearm out of a rusty shovel.

If the government can ban and regulate the materials required to create a firearm from scratch, then they could regulate everything... And that is just what they are doing.


The Bureau of Alcohol, Tobacco, Firearms, and Explosives originally tried to seize the inventory and client list of a manufacturer in California named Ares Armor. Even though the company was only manufacturing 80% lower receivers, the ATF claimed that it was illegally selling firearms. When they tried to seize the merchandise and client list, Ares Armor was able to get a temporary restraining order from a judge.

The judge ordered the two parties to cease contact until a hearing on March 20th. While Ares Armor was confident they had bought themselves a little time, the ATF then went behind their back and received an ex parte order from the judge - an order obtained without notice to the other party - which authorized them to forcefully raid the store and seize merchandise and client lists.

The Bureau of Alcohol, Tobacco, Firearms, and Explosives will not rest until it has complete control over the nation's firearm purchases. Now that they have raided this store and stolen the client list, there is nothing stopping them from coming after law abiding gun owners who committed no crimes.

This is essentially a liberty issue. How long are we going to allow abusive agencies like the ATF to incrementally increase their power? The idea of individuals building their own firearms without first informing the government terrifies the Obama administration, so much so that they are trying to illegally change the definition of what constitutes a firearm!

The ATF lied to the judge who lifted the restraining order. They stated that Ares Armor was illegally manufacturing firearms. This past August, Rep. Henry Waxman (D-CA) introduced H.R. 2910, the interestingly-titled “Gun Violence Prevention and Reduction Act” and if that bill had been signed into law, then these 80% lowers would be reclassified as firearms. But… the bill didn’t pass. It didn’t even make it out of committee.

The Second Amendment wasn’t designed to protect hunters or sportsmen… the only things that the Second Amendment truly authorizes you to hunt are tyrannical politicians! And the Democrats and RINOs realize this. These career politicians realize that they are dangerously close to being forcibly removed from office. Universal background checks allow for the government to maintain a database of Americans’ gun sales/purchases and the idea that someone could manufacture a firearm on their own absolutely terrifies them!<

The Illinois Buyers Club... ;-) Someone could make a movie about it...

Well, then again, you'd have to find the right producer, cast, and team, as most of the movie people out there would need to find a way to demonize it...

But with the "lead-free" wheel weights, it just ain't the same... Used to have a ready supply along the road, nowdays, it's hard to find suitable bullet stock.

Might be time to buy a few pigs from a lead recycler... still cheaper than the alternative.

Point for Cite.

Of course, everyone knows the *other* use for saltpeter, and judging by the current government, there seems to be an excess of the substance in the capitol's drinking water supply...

Pretty much all this^+1000 Thanks Gonzo

Your more like a shopping service or delivery service! Look out UPS!

Yes. In order to sell ammo, powder, primers, guns or even black powder and guns in Illinois you must hold a federal license that's controlled by the BATF. A FFL license. It's not hard to get requiring fingerprints, photo, $200 fee and a letter from the local police that you are a person of character. Then, after you get the license, you must maintain some extensive records and meet a lot of storage regulations. Every year the BATF will come by and inspect your records, inventory and storage arrangements.

They also have the right to drop in anytime and you must open up to them. You surrender your right to privacy. This is the biggest to me.

All in all, more trouble than I want and far too much federal interference. My buying a few boxes of 22's that my buddies pay me back for is not worth the hassle. I'm not doing it to make money, but a guy sure could if they wanted to.

I'm just trying to understand-so you have to have a license to sell ammo? You can't just post something on Craigslist? IF 22 is in short supply, it may be an excellent trade or re-sell.

Only in that I'm not running a gun store. Of course I didn't sell the ammo, my friends just reimbursed me for the costs, but it might have looked funny

Yeah, I enjoy making my own ammo too. http://i1284.photobucket.com/albums/a579...

Love my Dillon XL650.

ah, that's my entrepreneur star. why is that black market?

Nice chair but expensive. I see 15 different partial "gun kits" which are demilled complete guns legal to sell as a non-gun at $300-$400 each on todays market so a total of about $6000 of gun parts of course 10-15 years ago retail for same would be ~$1000

The last brick of that round I saw was $45! No, I didn't buy it either. I'll pay $20, but that's as far as I'll stretch.

Last summer I had a regular black market going. Lots of my buddies still work for a living and just couldn't get to a gun shop in time to buy 22's, so I'd buy as much as I could through the week and peddle it to them at the range on Sat.

The only ammo I bought that I didn't care what it cost was the stuff I shoot in our 22 bullseye meets. My bullseye gun is very fussy about being fed good ammo. I paid $60 a brick for that and would have bough more than the two bricks they had if I could have. I've only got around 200 rounds left of that, so this year I guess I'll be shooting something else.

That is a darn good price, depending on the brand. I don't shoot Remington Thunderbolts, I've had poor results from them, so I'd pass if that was what they were. Anything from CCI would be awesome - or is that un-obtainium?

There is a way to check Walmart inventory from their website - I'm no expert on them myself. I do know that in order to get any there you must be at our local store @ around 7:30, because at 8:30, it's all gone. Gander Mountain is where I got those white boxes, I found out that they get their onto the floor Thursday night, I visit them either 8:30pm on thrusday or be there when they open on friday. Our LGS posts on their facebook page when they have 22's (about every day) and there's always a line for the 22's every day.