I just finished the chapter where Eliot meets Thomas. He can't believe the old guy is quoting the founding fathers. Great portrayal of re-writing history in 2084!

Thanks for the mention in such loft company. The 2084 year was a deliberate reference.

Funny you should ask that... This morning I was reading the Reason Magazine cover article about Hillary Clinton (next month's issue... I wish I could put a link here right now...) and her war against us through censorship (among other means) and that exact thought crossed my mind: Maybe we should be promoting 1984 as The Book To Read for youngsters not quite ready for Atlas Shrugged?
The article was eye-opening and scary... especially in the sense that so many people actually support and Believe In Hillary!

it won't take that long at all. Things are already being edited by automated process across the internet. it is a real time censorship. I could give hours of lecture on the how's, what's and why's. I work in infosecurity in the advertising realm. The manipulation of the masses using "Big Data" is in full swing. industry is just now getting the reigns on what they have been collecting and databasing for 30 years in a near real time capability. Unstructured queries across meta-data equals near perfect predictive analysis today. When the government knows the outcome of decisions by way of accurate models fed by our little "smart" phones and social media, they can easily create the propaganda needed to head things off before its a problem. Here is an example: Further up the thread I brought up Mitch McConell's war powers bill. That is a step towards further war in the middle east for sure. Because we are losing our appetite for conflicts, the main stream media has been hammering home the "Muslim gang rape" stories in Europe like crazy, imho, to whip up anti-muslim sentiment among the population here. I say that because, the MSM is fairly liberal in their bias, and the liberals tend to want to defend Muslims under the guise of cultural subjectivity, so why now is the media whipping up a fervor?

I was involved in a political fight here in Cali last year. We were fighting a very controversial law and our group had set up a private facebook page to trade thoughts and share research. Immediately after the signing of "net neutrality" many of the websites we would share with each other as sources of useful info literally started disappearing from the internet. I thought I was imagining it when, one day, I made the comment that they can't eliminate two very large websites (nationally-recognized organizations). Within 24 hours of me saying that, both sites were heavily edited to eliminate the information we were referencing. That was an enlightening experience... I knew we weren't "in Kansas" anymore.

They have rewritten history, as in "1984", but kids will never read it, as they don't do history anyway. They have no use for what went before, they have been brainwashed into thinking they know technology, and are smarter than their elders.
Yes, the Internet spies on us, has for years. As in the novel, the TV spies on us, might as well tell it what you are thinking about crappy shows and advertising. Store cameras record our choices, some stores track your cell phone. Cars are wired to track us, even keep track of our speed history - all for our own good we are told. Oh yeah, we are in "1984", but now no one has read iit, "Manchurian Candidate", "Anthem" or "Brave New World". Yet, as "Brave" controlled its citizens with happy Somma" pills, the big drug companies work in harmony with big government to over-medicate and control from cradle to grave.

As long as they can text, the current generation has no need to waste time thinking. Being ruled is beyond their comprehension, it is all about to what they are "entitled".
Rand's "Anthem" describes a world much like "1984" does, yet hits on the everyday, like the loss of "I", incandescent bulbs, and books. It is so simple and it is happening, almost done.

So much interesting stuff to read, just not enough time. And then there is the moment when one book is finished. Which one next? The one on top of the stack? Or apply some other enticing criteria? I am all over the place.

I have it and haven't made time to read it yet. My list is long but it sounds like I need to move this one forward. Going to finish DK Halling's "Trails of Injustice" first. It is a great book too.

I am currently reading AJAshinoff's "Shadows Live Under Seashells". Good Lord it is a really plausible and frightening update to Orwell's 1984. Takes place in 2084, no less.

Getting their...and the technology is almost there as well.

Getting out of the collective level, if a mugger demands your money or your life, your answer, if possible, should be a dead mugger or at least one who is hurting badly and after that the collective can decide what to do with it (just being politically correct, since the gender free 'he' no longer is wanted. When language is messed with, the end is getting near.) And, Americans, never sit with your backs facing the door and other hints about living free by Lazarus Long.

It can't be that empty or it would be closed. Just saying. :)

It's ok here, Just need some work to top up my bank account, It's as empty as a Politian's promise

1984.
It was written in 1948 and Orwell just reveresed the last two numbers. It has become the model for Dystopia. I wish it had never been written. It has become a shorthand that people use so that they don't need to bother to spell out an undesirable government. Spell it out, damn it! Every moment under control, your actions, your health, your very thoughts. All controlled by the state. Describe the lack of freedom, the lack of intimacy, the lack of movement. Instead of just 1984.
But now, we may very well be raising a generation that looks upon that as desirable. The dissolution of mankind.

Thanks!

Sometimes, when given a false alternative, just do as Ayn Rand did with the "better red than dead" false alternative, by answering "better the reds dead". So do not even choose socialism as an alternative to IS and just choose "better IS dead".