I am well versed in the cycles of history...reading the 4th turning.
I don't have any kids by many I know do and they have the same concern. I tell them to guide them to the Hillsdale college site and listen to the free Constitution lectures...they will have to be the one's that re-discover true freedom for all mankind...equip them well because it will be in their hands now. We are here to mentor them properly.

Hello, Oldugly,
I would suggest to you to inform yourself, in detail, on the conditions in most of Europe in May 1945. I do not think that even that is the rock bottom we are headed towards.
I am also old and glad that it will happen after I have lived out the few years left. The thing that disturbs me the most is that I am unable to help my grandchildren have a better future.

The REAL robber Barons were the Senators involved in the procurement of property for the railroads...Really prevalent in the "cowboy" movies and shows we watched in the 50's. . . . . . . . . . . . .
AND I HAVE NO IDEA IF THAT WAS TRUE!

Notice that whenever the bread and circuses are doled out, it's always during a "crisis." It's never doled out during "normal" times. Also notice that there's never a sunset clause to all the bread and circuses laws that get passed, even though the "crises" end.

How many "Robber Barons" were there when America was industrializing? A mere pittance, but that pittance transformed the world. Don't look at others. Look at your dream.

I live in Las Vegas. I understand that other places like San Francisco are far worse.

I dont think we are close to the rock bottom, unfortunately. We still have electricity (Venezuela rations that); we still have a dollar that isnt dropping by 90% in a year like in venezuela; we dont have shortages of goods like in venezuela; our savings have been somewhat protected unlike in venezuela. Venezuela has dropped way way down, and they still love Maduro. I think 30% of the people here in the USA are angry enough at the federal government to vote for Trump in hopes something will change. But 70% are into prolonging the misery with the establishment.

god save us from the altruists and do-gooders !! The repubs will have their way and nominate someone and will lose the general election. The next election after Hillary will be won by a pure socialist though. This was the last shot at slowing down or reversing the course of the country

I feel your pain...everyday

Hmm, so you don't think we've hit rock bottom yet...sure feels like we have...I have observed that Europe has...some are even considering things that used to be second nature to us.

Hope your right...many now feel that technology will go on hold with the debt bubble ready to bust, and a reset in the wrong direction on the horizon.

Lots of encouraging things about to emerge, hope it all doesn't submerge into the underground till the skies clear.

My parents are exactly the same - they were quite the democrat-voting school district union employee folk right up until the second they retired, now my dad is a far-right conservative and my mom switched parties to vote for Trump.

My generation, boomers...were either demoncrapic union lovin or government workers, some died from dope and the rest of us had many positions because 20 year careers dried up, we started business inbetween jobs and somehow, through all the crashes, we stayed on our feet...now getting close to retirement, we are realizing there won't be one; so we're writing books, inventing or investing in gold...our 750K homes are now worth 350K if we are lucky...it sucks...And we ain't gona vote for trump...we have re-learned the constitution and everything we missed, we are constitutionally conservative and libertarian...we would of gone for Rand but we now support Cruz.
I've done my own surveys at work and run into a few climate freaks but mostly meet other like minded folk doing the same.

Unfortunately Hillary can probably round up the votes to do something about firearms manufacturer immunity. You notice, she's already trying to call out the socialist Bernie insinuating he must be a moron for not understanding that a crime victim should be able to sue a gun manufacturer for building and selling a gun that was legally sold to someone that committed the crime despite her nitwit of a husband's 'background checks' that ignore mental illness as a potential flag. (We discriminate against rich white people buying guns legally, not thugs in the ghetto buying them from the trunk of a Chevy Impala. So next will be the gun safe manufacturers for not anticipating the thief with a plasma torch that broke into the law-abiding gun owner's home and stole that AR.

That is just a veiled attempt to circumvent the 2nd Amendment, she can't win it at the ballot box or the courts, that "shall not be infringed" is not really a grey area for interpretation. Getting unlimited liability for gun manufacturers with an undeterminable variable of risk would essentially stop the gun manufacture and sale in the US. Thinking she is 'for the kids' is just bullshit, if she was 'for the kids' the Clinton Foundation would be building clean water wells for kids in Africa instead of building the Clinton net worth from zero in 1996 to around $340 million as it stands today... I'm sure she would love to say that her books that went straight from the printing press to the $1.00 bin on the clearance shelf at Barnes & Noble had something to do with it, but they didn't. It's been a bribery laundering scheme. Even Rachel Maddow tried to get her to agree that maybe unwinding the foundation would be a good idea if she is going to be president, and Hildebeast looked at her with disdain like "why the hell would I do that? I'll make serious bank extorting donations to the foundation out of world leaders".

"The INTENSE hatred for Trump is the establishment's reaction to his brash and politically incorrect views of the establishment. "

I would add that 1) the Republican establishment doesn't want Trump because he will upset their apple cart that they have worked for so long to establish and protect (a reason they don't fight Dems as hard as many would prefer); 2) most people know nothing about Trump (character, business philosophy, sense of life), thus, due to the predominant philosophy of altruism [which "we" work so hard to replace with Objectivism], they are put off by what they see as his "brashness", assumed arrogance, retaliating when attacked, "running roughshod", etc. One thing is for certain: he is NOT an altruist.

An excellent analysis..........IMHO

Mamaemma: "YoungatheartCarl,"

I like that sense of life..............................

100 +

I don't know that it could get worse than 2 terms of the Obamanation.

Like when Carter was President...anything would have looked better. We just got lucky with Reagan.

As I see it, there is less dichotomy, generally speaking, than in all the previous history of this country. It looks to me as if the entire thinking has slewed to the left, and even those things considered to be moderately conservative, are what was called liberal just a few years back. When a person such a Cruz is contrasted with a Sanders, then, the sway of current thinking becomes very clear. When I first started voting, Cruz would have been considered a moderate and Sanders would not have been considered at all.

Being retired and on a limited income (although my BW is a successful part-time Avon Lady) I need to be very careful about how I husband my wealth. As a result, I have created a budget that has limits on everything. As to charity, I investigated charities extensively and concluded that there were certain ones that did a great job and I donate to them to within the limits I have set. I have neither the time nor patience to bother with every tax-exempt that comes begging.

Pay me, Bernie. I ain't one of the rich. So make your bobble heads give it up for Old Dino.
Bwahaha!
(That was my villainous laugh impression).

Well the nice thing, will be those young people paying for us all in retirement. Then they'll feel the Bern.

I don't think it will continue to be that simple. The problem is Hillary can't attack him here..

On the original comment, no, we are left or right, there is really nothing in between. I think the ones that are 'independent' or 'decline to state' are only saying that because they work for the government in a party other than what they vote, are union members and don't want to be, etc.

Bernie will simply say that all the money will come from rich people.
All his youngster bobble-headed followers will all so readily agree while cheering, "Do you feel the Bern?"
They'll be feeling "berned" along with the rest of us when it is likely by far too late.