The Right To Hate

Posted by khalling 11 years, 7 months ago to Philosophy
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I was astounded and outraged by the recent story from Nigeria, where 200 girls have been kidnapped and sold as wives or into slavery by a radical group of thugs, calling themselveshttp://www.usnews.com/news/world/articles/2014/04/30/reports-abducted-girls-forced-to-marry-extremists. The girls were attending a Physics test along with boys when the group surrounded the school and carried out the kidnapping. It was reported the group is against school for women, not unlike other religious sects in the Middle East, including areas of Pakistan and Iran. The legal protection of the rights of women in most third world countries are almost non-existent, due primarily to the practice of Islam. and other radical religions. The situation in that region of Nigeria was described by one spokeswoman as " "life has become nasty, short and brutish. We are living in a state of anarchy." This of course echoing Thomas Hobbes, the english philosopher, who said in his book Levithian (1651),
"No arts; no letters; no society; and which is worst of all, continual fear, and danger of violent death: and the life of man, solitary, poor, nasty, brutish and short."
Hobbes was a firm believer in a strong, central authority of governance created on moral foundations. This comment was in part an explanation regarding Men living in a constant state of Nature, where Man sees all property his. There are no rights in a State of Nature, but complete freedom.
On the same day, I read Eudaimonia/s post of Yale's current push to curb racist and bigoted comments which are popularly used. I was struck dumb that the push made headlines and I seriously wondered at the use of scarce resources for such a program. The justification included sentiments such as empowerment of women. People have a good understanding of what is basic politeness and what is not. So it begs the question, why the need to keep pushing at some cost programs or plans on words and phrases which are permissible/not permissible in the name of political correctness? There are so many things wrong in the world today-You can't travel and feel safe, You are stopped and searched by your own police, The NSA is spying on private citizens, the IRS is targeting certain groups, the EPA is regulating your private property and business right out from under you. 200 girls are kidnapped and made slaves because they wanted to learn....The irony of a major and important US university focusing on and elevating the hurt feelings of the few and being alarmed enough to "educate" their students about it compared to the alarm regarding real rights-being kidnapped! is staggering. I find it equally ironic that the former Dean of Yale Law School, now legal adviser to the State Department, Harold Koh, was very outspoken for the US to adopt a "transnational" approach to law, in response to the now famous video "smoking gun" for the Benghazi cover-up. We should revise our laws to include broader interpretation of Hate Speech, including denouncing of Islamic practices, which sees women as property and of little worth. Protect the rights of the group who do not acknowledge natural rights of women and denounce and pass hate laws against people who point that out! http://www.volokh.com/2012/09/13/former-.... This is referred to as the "abuse of free speech."
IF we get to a place where people's outrageous comments are considered so important that they may lose their business, their income, perhaps face jail, the influence of such programs like Yale's serves to not only indoctrinate but define the very terms for which a free citizen may be bound-in speech. The fact that the owner of a basketball team can lose his business and pay outrageous fines for words spoken in the privacy of his home- or a man lose his job because of a political donation is getting ever closer to the same tactics used by the villains in Nigeria. "I don't like what you are doing and I will control you." Why are free citizens of the once greatest country on Earth standing for that?
If racism and bigotry have become the MOST important issue Americans are facing today-we are in serious trouble. Because they are not. People are going to hate you for the color of your skin, for your political orientation, etc. You cannot legislate that away. Protecting natural rights and property rights is the single most effective way to address racism issues.
If we continue to raise false flags, eventually, when real problems need to be dealt with, like the team owner's privacy being violated by not one person but by multiple organizations through publishing of recordings, and no one is held accountable, you'd better strap on your skiis-the slope is a black.


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  • Posted by Maphesdus 11 years, 7 months ago in reply to this comment.
    What makes you think that Saul Alinsky advocated or endorsed the idea of using distractions?
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  • Posted by Kittyhawk 11 years, 7 months ago in reply to this comment.
    Thank you! You are very well informed on the subject, and I agree the enforcement bias may have other causes than pure prejudice.
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  • Posted by $ Thoritsu 11 years, 7 months ago in reply to this comment.
    For violent crime the ratio is 4 in 1,000 for African Americans and 1 in 1000 for whites. Data all available from FBI site.

    Don't disagree, about racial bias of police, although don't think the majority stems from simple prejudice and much as an associative behavior. For example, if the police sees more black criminals, he is more likely to pursue a black person over a white person under similar suspicious circumstances. It probably increases the difference a bit, but I think income level is the big driver. Red cars, sports cars and cars in disrepair similarly attract the attention of police.
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  • Posted by Kittyhawk 11 years, 7 months ago in reply to this comment.
    I would very much like to know the percentage of these crimes that are non-violent (chiefly drug-use-related), and what the statistics show when these are removed. If the government ended drug prohibition, we'd undoubtedly see a sharp drop in not only imprisonment of non-violent offenders but in associated crime, just as we did with the end of alcohol prohibition. I believe in self ownership, and I don't think the government has any business telling people what they can or can't put in their bodies.

    Further, I've also read of studies that show enforcement is racially biased. If true, that would explain some or all of the discrepancy.

    While I think the posted article has a great point about our priorities in addressing problems in the world, I don't think we should ignore facts about the other problems that exist.
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  • Posted by 11 years, 7 months ago in reply to this comment.
    thanks-but I'll admit, I'm unsure of the next step for those of you still in the States
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  • Posted by KYFHO 11 years, 7 months ago
    Not IF we get to that place of intolerance, but what do we do now that we are there? Why are we all so complacent, so ready to move on to the next liberty limiting atrocity? Perhaps we are all so jaw dropping stunned by what is happening (both here and overseas) we lose sight of the need to protest these tramplings of our laws and our true rights. And to scream to the skies when horrible news is not given the honest coverage it deserves. It is unpopular to fight the tide of the msm and the leftist propaganda machine, but we must push back. And as for the girls and boys of extremist countries being ignored by the msm ?Those atrocities do not play into their agenda of all islam is peace loving. Political correctness run amok in both instances, one with personal financial consequences, the other with life, death and abject misery as a consequence. You wrote a wonderful and thought provoking piece.
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  • Posted by NealS 11 years, 7 months ago
    I feel strongly that we're going in a direction related to in a short movie from 1981, a true story that took place in Palo Alto California in 1967 while I was heading to Vietnam. The movie is called, "The Wave". It's only about 45 minutes long and the on line version is pretty poor quality. However, if you have never seen it, it is well worth seeing. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JFnH1c91...

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  • Posted by $ Thoritsu 11 years, 7 months ago in reply to this comment.
    Just a US statistic from the FBI (also on Wikipedia). A similar statistic correlates crime to low income persons.
    I draw no conclusion from it, just pointing out how a simple fact can be twisted into hate speech, and noting no one called Eddie Murphy a racist for the skit where the behavior was the butt of the joke.
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  • Posted by jspringr 11 years, 7 months ago
    In a single sentence--if we truly have free speech,
    A PERSON HAS A RIGHT TO MAKE RACIST STATEMENTS.
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  • Posted by 11 years, 7 months ago in reply to this comment.
    yes, natural rights are not parsed out by gender or sexual orientation or land ownership.
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  • Posted by Esceptico 11 years, 7 months ago
    Perhaps we should not look at this as "women's rights" but more as "human rights." Even though picked on as women, the more basic issue is human.
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  • Posted by Stormi 11 years, 7 months ago
    Fantastic post, Khalling! Right on the mark.
    What we are seeing is the Saul Alinsky method taken international. Distract, distract, distract. While we are filling college students' heads with nonsense, not educating them, and indoctrinating them, they are not worrying about the real issues - like the IRS, Agenda 21, phoney EPA alerts, and where our gold is that should be held. Hillary Clinton loves to side in with this distraction and would like nothing more than to stop free speech. Those who want to limit what we say, do not ever put themselves in that category, it is for other people.
    Those poor girls, they will live a life of slavery, rather than being educated. I have spoken with some of these young extremists, and I know the low value they put on females. In this country, they could only use them, but in their own countries, their will is the only limit.
    Thanks again form bringing these issues to light.
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  • Posted by CircuitGuy 11 years, 7 months ago
    Despite these real problems, things are actually getting better. We can make progress protecting free speech, even unpopular inflammatory speech, and keep going after the kidnappers and criminals of the world.

    I agree that a Leviathan, even a crappy Leviathan is better than a state of nature. We are working toward improving the Leviathan.
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  • Posted by $ jlc 11 years, 7 months ago in reply to this comment.
    That may be a realistic report, but I do not know that it is an accurate scientific statement. In order for it to be 'science' instead of 'reporting' you need a control group or some way to normalize between populations. Is the statistic you mentioned still true for similar populations?

    Jan
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  • Posted by Boborobdos 11 years, 7 months ago in reply to this comment.
    EXACTLY! He bought his way out of problems. Lately he's gotten so egregious with the accumulation karma came out and bit him hard.
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  • Posted by Boborobdos 11 years, 7 months ago in reply to this comment.
    And that shows up so much in abortion, recreational drugs, and lately equality in marriage.
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  • Posted by Herb7734 11 years, 7 months ago
    If you were to list all the geopolitical problems, the economic problems, and the slide toward collectivism, problems of racism look insignificant. They are a much needed distraction, touted by the regime in order to take our focus off of the failures of Obama and onto something we can say we can all agree to hate. Worst of all, it'll probably cause more legislation to be passed, limiting our freedoms more, and distracting the low-information voters, like a magician's deceptions.
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  • Posted by jimslag 11 years, 7 months ago
    Great post KH and well worth reading. You bring up some interesting points and similarities. Thanks you very much.
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