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Time for Gary Johnson to seize the moment

Posted by $ jbrenner 9 years, 3 months ago to Politics
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With Cruz dropping out tonight, there are no main party candidates left who behave in accordance with the Constitution. If there is ever a time for someone else to rise up, now is the time. I doubt it will be seized, however.

The GOP RINOs would not allow my county's elected GOP chairman, a Tea Partier, participate at the Florida GOP convention a few years ago. The Florida GOP RINOs also were largely responsible for John McCain getting nominated in 2008. The GOP establishment is now getting its just desserts.

GOP - Rest in Pieces


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  • Posted by jabuttrick 9 years, 3 months ago in reply to this comment.
    One of us is having a reading comprehension problem. I'm not working for any political candidate right now if that's what you are asking. That may change in August when I will have more time to devote to such activities. Are you working for anyone?
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  • Posted by jabuttrick 9 years, 3 months ago in reply to this comment.
    All of this refers to the situation before Tuesday. It's all irrelevant now. Trump is the nominee. Try to focus on that fact.
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  • Posted by DrZarkov99 9 years, 3 months ago
    I remember Gary Johnson's performance in the 2012 GOP primary debates, and he was less effective at promoting and defending Libertarian positions than Ron or Rand Paul have been. I'm sorry to say he didn't come across as either confident nor competent, having less debating skills than any of the experienced governors that have made a run at the office in the past several election cycles. He may be a good guy who posits the right kind of Libertarian solutions, but he's as weak a candidate as most third party wannbes.
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  • Posted by DrZarkov99 9 years, 3 months ago in reply to this comment.
    I'm a veteran too (20+ years in Air Force space systems), though never saw a shot fired in anger. I also spent enough time in the nation's capitol to have a healthy dose of contempt for politicians and bureaucrats.

    It's not that I don't agree with you about how rotten the situation has become. I just am thankful that people like you and I still have the freedom to make our feelings known in a public forum without fear of reprisal. That's rare in the rest of the world, either due to outright oppression, or from an out of control self-censorship in a bloated welfare state.

    What excites me about the Trump/Sanders "revolution" is that it shows the American voting public still has the cojones to tell the political class to "take a hike." Sanders has socialist dreams that will never come to pass, and Trump is a stranger to government "service," but the latter is more credible, since he understands economics and negotiations.

    The telling thing for me is that as soon as Vicente Fox, the former Mexican President, realized his insults aimed at Trump might be disrespectful of the next U.S. President, he apologized. The world respects a strong America, and Trump's "alpha dog" persona carries a message that we aren't to be trifled with.

    All of the ballyhoo about Trump being a potential dictator, he's stated his intent to get the mechanisms of government working like they're supposed to. We've had eight years of the clear danger that would be represented by someone who would assume the trappings of an "imperial Presidency" meant he really was a monarch. After that, a leader with a program manager's mindset would be helping to restore the republic.

    Clinton is far more dangerous than Trump. She is completely without a moral core, and her untrustworthyness can only result in further decay of the nation, morally and economically.
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  • Posted by $ MichaelAarethun 9 years, 3 months ago
    Let's look at the numbers since the Libertarians presently posting can't get beyond 'send money.'

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    now where the 46% of the available voter pool represented by those who have no representation. Yet with 5% to 9% well within reach of becoming a legal recognized party.

    Some will join from the disintegrating Republicans but the biggest gain is from that 46%. They aren't Libertarians or they would have signed up . Why not? Is there a place for them? Yes if the Libs are serious about advancing and if they are willing to stick to the main common cause goals such as returning to constitutional rule, free and open elections, ditching money as free speech. Just the basics.

    To date i see no movement to entice me to leave NOTA though I have been sending direct to Johnson and not through any campaign committees. Most cannot articulate a reason why I should.

    For my time and money they are worth working with but not worth working for? Maybe an Independents for Johnson movement might help. It's up to Johnson.

    There's your golden opportunity if you are willing to share some of the control of a coalition style part and leave the minor stuff until later. On the other hand 5% projected is perilously close to 4.9%. There other percentage 9% was a smidgen away from double digits. It's something to work with but perhaps not work for. That's up to Johnson.

    And then there is that damned winner take all vote stealing business .....

    So are you a secular 700 or do you have something to offer?

    choices? you want viable choices. They are all around you ...except for the socialist collective farms. .which is all that's being offered officially. How long do you want to stand in line for a Cabbage Head or Beaten Root.
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  • Posted by $ MichaelAarethun 9 years, 3 months ago in reply to this comment.
    Choke on it.

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  • Posted by $ MichaelAarethun 9 years, 3 months ago in reply to this comment.
    Polly Anna hasn't worked for how many decades? Polly Anna will not save you now.

    I'm at the point I firmly believe the US Public through their chosen representatives should be stripped of their right to send their sons and daughters to war.

    One tends to get a bit grumpy when the bullets are whizzing by and they read in Stars and Stripes about the waste our efforts represent. Do not speak to me of serving my country. The ultimate insult. Our oath was and for the faithful still is to the Constitution something civilians will never understand. We don't serve you nor the country we serve the Constitution or at least we did back in the old days (plural). This new batch starting with it's leader ship seems to have taken a different definition.

    Eight years of war from the party that ran on a single plank of get the troops out now.
    You wan;t grumpy? I'll show you grumpy when you learn to crawl in the mud past the bodies of the dead.

    Do we need change? Yes we do. No vote for those who haven't voluntarily served. You aren't responsible enough for the great an obligation. The change is a return to the Constitution. We are not cannon fodder anymore. Male or Female. I the Representatives committee voted today to include women in the draft. That's how much they fear the country. You want to keep voting that sort into office. Learn to accept the unintended consequences.

    The word 'you' is used as general comment meaning you the people of the USSA. If the shoe fits wear it. If the shoe is a combat boot you aren't included except for the question stated. At what point will the military honor it's oath of office?

    The chips on the table total 24 years infantry. Ante up or Fold.
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  • Posted by $ MichaelAarethun 9 years, 3 months ago in reply to this comment.
    Exactly. Name two who are disliked to a lesser degree, You may be referring to liked even less. A difficult word choice Let's see if a change would work. There are not two other people in politics who are disliked even more or more disliked or less disliked....Hmmmm i see your point. My humble apologies but the thrust remains the same. No one in politics is despised more than these two because of their position at the moment. The possible exception is the current president the actual exception is the entire congress. Even government employees do not rank as low one would have to be a reporter to equal those depths.
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  • Posted by $ puzzlelady 9 years, 3 months ago in reply to this comment.
    There aren't two less disliked people in politics than Clinton and Trump..." Did you mean "less liked"?
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  • Posted by DrZarkov99 9 years, 3 months ago in reply to this comment.
    Wow, and I thought I was a grumpy old man. When should we expect the four horsemen of the Apocalypse? I still trust in the mechanisms (however rusty and jammed up with socialist gunk) present in our government structure to rectify problems. Rigid ideology, of any flavor, is destined to fail, because it assumes all people are essentially the same, and malleable. Seeking workable solutions is the way to get things on the right track again.
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  • Posted by $ MichaelAarethun 9 years, 3 months ago in reply to this comment.
    And his start point is the start point of the left. So where does that leave the RINO Party. Hopefully no where. Clean up one mess at a time. First get rid of Reublicans then scuttle the rest.
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  • Posted by $ MichaelAarethun 9 years, 3 months ago in reply to this comment.
    Politics is an extension of war by other means. We didn't shoot the other side and then hug each other. We shot the other side until there were no names left to take. Otherwise one inevitably had to go at it again. I like my seasons short, to the point, worth while and in groups of one.

    Unfortunately the USSA public thinks there is a reset button on politics and war. The intentional and unintentional outcomes do not allow for that. We die or they die. it was worth it or it wasn't worth it.

    It ain't a GD game. Those that thhk so deserve to die.
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  • Posted by term2 9 years, 3 months ago in reply to this comment.
    I meant that the number of illegals will boom, since if we have to pay $15, why not get really motivated illegal workers instead of lazy entitled american workers
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  • Posted by $ MichaelAarethun 9 years, 3 months ago in reply to this comment.
    No but i met the Fat Brothers. High Fat Low Fat and No Fat. The Fat Bros. Chinese restaurant chain in San Francisco. there is a cousin Fat Lip.
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  • Posted by $ MichaelAarethun 9 years, 3 months ago in reply to this comment.
    They will do as they are told as usual but it makes as much sense as the former record of caving we've seen so far.

    You won't lose money underestimating the cupidity of the RINO wing.
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  • Posted by $ MichaelAarethun 9 years, 3 months ago in reply to this comment.
    So were the Communists. but then the colors were chosen by the former main stream M2F media so it makes some kind of twisted sense. Must have pissed off the socialist left though.
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  • Posted by $ MichaelAarethun 9 years, 3 months ago in reply to this comment.
    And all the chillun's said Amen and Amen and Amen then went home for icecream and watermelons.

    Screw me once shame on you screw me twice shame on me . There will not be a third chance.

    Although I presented third choice of sorts which calls on Trump to show some evidence of his leadership and is it two big brass ones or two marsh mellows he brings as evidence of his leadership skills.

    Personally I think marshmellows and he will forgo the opportunity to remake the GOP in his own image

    One thing to say about Waddle if the Arizona had armor plate equal to those she swings it would never have been sunk.

    But fair is fair I gave Trump his chance Look for "What would It take for me to vote for Trump?" A new thread with space for your opinion.
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