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"There are two sides to every issue: one side is right and the other is wrong, but the middle is always evil." - John Galt

Posted by GaltsGulch 9 years ago to The Gulch: General
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"There are two sides to every issue: one side is right and the other is wrong, but the middle is always evil." - John Galt


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  • Posted by teri-amborn 9 years ago in reply to this comment.
    I have said for many years now that this country will eventually be divided into two parts...or probably three.

    The friction, uplift and subduction of tectonic plates eventually leads to an earthquake.

    The same principles apply to politics...and there's a LOT of "stress" building up.
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  • Posted by $ MichaelAarethun 9 years ago in reply to this comment.
    OK here's Part II. To make the left right system really work you have a vertical up down component that sort of slides along to where you think the center is located.

    At the top, in the really old days was God who gave divine right to monarchs 2nd spot working down, who had a group of supporters henchmen, Barons, protective echelon, who supervised everything from Bankers to Enablers and political parties. this is where it crosses the left to right system. next moochers and 'the faithful' and on do to citizens, people, and flyovers of various who cares descriptions oh yes and baby factories and draftees.

    Two things.

    Above God is a group sometime called the Establishment.

    At the point where one crosses the others are something called media and educators. they slide along for the ride sort of clearing the way.

    There is an escape hatch.

    Climb down the vertical bar and jump off to the land of expats and others who aren't playing the game anymore. it's a long walk back to the point on solid earth that is beneath the center point marked Constitution or any of it's major ideas but the scenery is magnificent.

    Now the whole thing is automated and sort of flys between two extremes NYC and LA.

    Looking down those on top see what they call flyover country. Nothing important. Occasionally see people. Not worth commenting on.

    Down below people look up and as the parade passes look at each other and comment.

    What bunch of amazing a**holes.

    Armed with this system everything makes sense except the parts that make no sense.

    Dangling down is a sort of hose. watch out for that. it's a vacuum It takes all cents.

    And that's how it works. complete non sense turned into an understandable fiction of reality or is it reality of friction.
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  • Posted by $ MichaelAarethun 9 years ago in reply to this comment.
    If you want one that makes sense forget Washington and the media and PC and the rest of that and try a simple formula that immediately explains things such as"Why do Republicans always cave to the Democrats?"

    Using the Constitution (since no one else is) as the Center ....if you believe ....

    Government Controls People = Left
    (by their choice)

    People control Government = Right
    (using the space abandoned by the King who did the Ruler by Divine Right trick

    But Citizens Controlling Government was the whole point of the Constitution. Nothing mugwump about it.

    Took about two decades for the former established aristocracy to star whittling away and re-institute neo- feudalism

    Extremists the right Anarchists.

    Not much population in those areas any more.

    Extremists to the left Communists and Nazis or International and and National Socialism. Secular Progressives, Socialists including Democrats and Rino Republicans who are the right wing of the left

    Use that system everything is clear.
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  • Posted by $ MichaelAarethun 9 years ago in reply to this comment.
    We aren't sliding towards the middle. That's the Constitution. We're slippery sloping to the far left. Just because they claim the center of the left as the center doesn't make it so. Besides they'll change the definition tomorrow. I see no movement in the direction of the center or any compass marginally in that direction. Marx yes, Engels yes, Adolf yes, Lenin Yes, Lakoff yes.
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  • Posted by teri-amborn 9 years ago in reply to this comment.
    Do you think that President Obama knows the difference between right and wrong/good and evil? I personally think that he thinks that good is evil and that evil is good.
    Perhaps only good people are capable of being good and when seduced by evil intentions/promises and fall for them, the good person moves towards the Middle?

    I see a pattern to all of this slide toward the middle and consequently the end of this country and individual rights.

    Currently, in this country, good is viewed as "what's best for the greatest number". That is the first step toward the "middle".

    The next step is: Get enough "votes" (rule by concensus) and your rights are voted away from the individual (second move...more slide toward the dark side).

    Third: Steal through legislation/regulation.

    Fourth: Make no legal recourse against the government.

    Fifth: Take everything from the "makers" in the name of giving to the takers because that is what is for the "greater good" (but the loot will go to the hierarchy).

    That is the definition of evil when it comes to government. We are moving very rapidly toward the end. Watch for President Obama never leaving office...
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  • Posted by teri-amborn 9 years ago in reply to this comment.
    Every move toward a political "center" has moved this nation further and further toward totalitarianism.
    Washington wants you to think that it is "Right vs. left" (whatever that is supposed to mean) but in reality it has been a subtle whittling away of individual rights.

    IDK if there wan't a "center" that was created by these evil people in order to move toward it and justify the slow enslavement of the individual.
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  • Posted by $ MichaelAarethun 9 years ago in reply to this comment.
    Of course not. One of the hardest parts of objectivism is apply the constant changes. We grow, knowledge grows, Conditons change. I did my own study and research on the issue of abortion. Came up with my idea of the right of citizens to be protected when they are unable to protect themselves then to viability based on survival after a premature birth and that made sense to me. No one was going to get the whole cake candles and all. But all parties were protected to an extent less the husband and that is getting to be less and less of a concern.
    then discovered the Congress of all groups had reached the same conclusion and such laws as there were or are ditto the same along with statistics on actual occurences of third trimestrer, late term and partial birth. SCOTUS agreed by not granting cert That stance was enough for me using citizens rights as tool. Added to that go ahead and make that a federal law in that manner then get out of the business and let the States do there's and be left alone. As we've seen the Sick Frogs my code for Sec-ular Prog-ressives have decided to use any and all issues to get their way. But for the moment the abortion issue became less important.

    Social Security became the third rail and avoiding the problem became real third rail.

    Changing the constitution without an amendment should be in that position. But it's moot at this point.
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  • Posted by $ MichaelAarethun 9 years ago in reply to this comment.
    Really? hmmmm I don't believe that to be true. I believe just the opposite. If we are still talking about centers or are we on to evil? Has a paradigm shift occurred?

    Evil - That which I know to be wrong (add any number of descriptive adjectives) Good - That which I know to be right. (same qualifiers) An evil act.Doing that which my personal moral code had deemed to be wrong full well knowing I am committing and act of evil. Compounding the evil act. Blaming it on someone else or a higher authority and asking for clemency for same.

    Or are we back to center.

    The Constitution was the center of political discourse for the former USA. Now it's the center of the left or whatever G. Lakoff and Looney Clooney, or Obeyme proclaim for that day.

    Doesn't apply I don't serve the Party.

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  • Posted by $ MichaelAarethun 9 years ago in reply to this comment.
    I was thinking more of my self. but your definition is ok for you - and only on that one particular issue.

    Where is or more properly where was the political center of the USA?
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  • Posted by teri-amborn 9 years ago in reply to this comment.
    Clarification:
    The "middle" Is compromising/sacrificing your self-interest or your knowledge of what is best for you for the sake of another or the hope that "approval of others" will trump your ability to own yourself.

    Think of Peter Keating/Katherine.
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  • Posted by $ MichaelAarethun 9 years ago in reply to this comment.
    that is your middle.

    my middle is a dividing line called viabilty. I guess only letting the female side of the equation choose is endorsement of baby factories and fun donors?
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  • Posted by $ MichaelAarethun 9 years ago in reply to this comment.
    No I'm a strong supporter of counter-revolution. The revolution is the other side. A very strong supporter.

    As for your laundry list where's the connection? First you wanted an excuse to support what you deem evil. then you want to wander through the garden paths of the world to get there. then you try to change the subject.

    Take a time out you are usually much better ...maybe a Red Bull or a Monster.
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  • Posted by $ Thoritsu 9 years ago in reply to this comment.
    We have socialized retirement, medicine, post office, parks, food administration, roads, military, etc.

    The only paths from this to capitalism are revolution and compromise through the middle.

    Do you only advocate revolution?
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  • Posted by $ MichaelAarethun 9 years ago in reply to this comment.
    A is A. right is right wrong is wrong. You make the definition. You make the choice. You suffer the consequences. You convict yourself. Your choice your responsibility..

    Guilty as charged ...both your actions.
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  • Posted by $ MichaelAarethun 9 years ago in reply to this comment.
    It is choosing a false moral value and cheating yourself. Nothing harder than that. No one else can absolve you have choosing self confessed and publicly confessed evil actions.
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  • Posted by $ MichaelAarethun 9 years ago in reply to this comment.
    I've never had a problem with choosing moral from immoral since I was old enough to distinguish wrong from right and left from right. I've never been disappointed nor had to apologize to anyone for my actions as a result of applying that knowledge...most of all to myself.
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  • Posted by Maritimus 9 years ago in reply to this comment.
    No, it does not mean that. To investigate, by definition, means to inquire (ask) or to study in order to establish facts (to ask about and establish facts).
    There is no way one can know answers without first knowing questions. That is the nature of answers.
    Communists, all totalitarians and collectivist routinely lock in their own ideas and lock out free thinking from peoples minds.
    Just plain observations.
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  • Posted by $ MichaelAarethun 9 years ago in reply to this comment.
    True but that means they are people without answers and still investigating and verifying.

    One should always be interested in the answers to questions they had not thought of...no one gave anyone a lock on ideas.
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  • Posted by Maritimus 9 years ago in reply to this comment.
    Hello, ewv,
    You got me thinking about something.
    Let me start with asserting, as the well known book about "Where Mathematics Comes From" does, that mathematics is a human invention.
    Now. Reducing reality observations to simple elements, to help us handling the complexity, is as common as breathing.
    So, for certain purposes, the mathematics is reduced to the simple concept of the number line, from -infinity to +infinity.
    For many other purposes it is very useful to reduce a question about existence to "good" and "bad" or, figuratively, black and white.
    This last one brings us to values and ethics, i.e. philosophy. Ayn Rand used the A and not-A to illustrate her most fundamental principle about philosophy of existence (A is A).
    Let me call all this "reducing to one dimension".
    Of course, the number line ignores the whole world of mathematics, which includes algebra trigonometry, imaginary numbers, non-planar geometry etc. etc.
    "Black" and "white" or "light" and "no-light" ignores the whole spectrum of frequencies in the visible region, which means ignoring all the hues and colors, which make the sight such a satisfying and inspiring perceiver.
    A and not-A ignores the infinite supply of complexities so characteristic of all existence.
    Analysis is a study technique in chemistry and a study technique in logic and philosophy. In opposition to synthesis, analysis identifies elements composing a complex brew's nature. By learning what elements are present, we can begin to understand the brew's usefulness or danger and many other thing about it.
    Analogously, reducing to one dimension, numbers, colors or values, is a useful technique in search of understanding and, CRUICALLY, a tool of the human mind in its thrilling and fabulous search for knowledge.
    Would you agree?
    P.S. Hello, khalling. This is "dedicated" to you.
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