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What the Hell Is Going on in Jesus’ Tomb?

Posted by $ nickursis 9 years, 2 months ago to Culture
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Of note, King Abdullah of Jordan is financing the restoration the 3rd Muslim ruler to protect the Church from destruction. At least something nice gets said about good guys.
SOURCE URL: http://www.thedailybeast.com/articles/2016/06/25/what-the-hell-is-going-on-in-jesus-tomb.html

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  • Posted by $ Olduglycarl 9 years, 1 month ago
    Thanks Nick...history is important, not matter how one mystically interprets historical events...seems every week someone discovers something mentioned in the OT,T or NT and fills in the gaps of what we are told that happened.

    I am not afraid of this stuff, in fact I find it fascinating...after all...it's OUR history.
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    • Posted by $ nickursis 9 years, 1 month ago
      In as much as the history of the time got mixed up in the only vehicles used to record (religious texts) there is always a lot of unraveling to do. The story of the Flood is one example, it is found around the world, mainly in religious texts, often related to some angry god. That was one of the things that prompted Paul Von Ward to research the issue and he developed a good argument for the aliens on earth theory. He ties together a lot of myths and religious statements and shows the commonalities from across the world. There are an amazing number of common threads in most religions and oral traditions. I doubt they got them from the internet, so something had to cause it all. This was just an interesting story about a church that is pivotal to one religion, I thought the fact a person of another felt compelled to finance the restoration.
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      • Posted by $ jdg 9 years, 1 month ago
        There is a reason that Herodotus is considered the first (trustworthy) historian. Countries all over the Near East published alleged histories thousands of years before him -- but they all contained myths and fables (including heroic myths about each nation's ruler or founder), and the same stories got used this way over and over again. Indeed, we know the order in which these myths propagated from one nation's "history" to another by the changes made each time.

        I don't find it at all implausible that the Flood, and other religious stories, were among the fables passed around this way. After all, just about every religion's original "holy" founder was simply a successful warlord, with a huge ego, who made himself a king and then commissioned one of these "histories" with his name in it. (The exceptions being Buddha, who inherited a kingdom but walked out rather than become its king, and Jesus, who did speak of becoming a king but wasn't interested in fighting wars.)
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        • Posted by Flootus5 9 years, 1 month ago
          There are some interesting speculations that floods in various parts of the world are the source of fable through vocal history. Actual floods did occur to ancient peoples at the end of the last ice age. The Missoula Flood, the Black Sea inundation are well studied examples.

          Even the Great Salt Lake, when it reached its maximum height, it burst through its Great Basin containment north into Idaho and on down the Snake and Columbia Rivers. Quaternary experts estimate it may have been pouring through the breach for a hundred years scouring softer sediments down finally to hard bed rock. Then lake levels stabilized again.

          Ocean sediment drill cores in the Mediterranean indicate that the sea may have nearly dried up. Salt evaporite beds were deposited at extremely low levels. With rising sea levels the Atlantic apparently broke through at the straits of Gibraltar, perhaps catastrophically.

          The last ice age maximum retreated between 9,000 and 13,000 years ago, before any real written record. But numerous human societies were affected, sometimes catastrophically, sometimes with just rapid change of habitats and resources over a number of generations.

          The speculation is amazing as to how many ancient human dwelling sites are now under water. Some have been found, like in the Black Sea.
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          • Posted by $ nickursis 9 years, 1 month ago
            Indeed, there is a detailed reconstruction of the Snake River and Columbia and how they came about, and the time frame also is in the window. Maybe it is collective memory of various floods, not a single event, but the distance in time makes it seem so. The end of the Ice Age saw a lot of dammed areas break open.
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        • Posted by $ nickursis 9 years, 1 month ago
          The thing with the Flood myth, is that it appears in almost all cultures, even to island ones, that were isolated. That was one of his points. If you look at the archeological side, there is evidence of villages in the black sea, as well as a land bridge not tool long ago to England, as well as underwater sites in various parts of the world. One theory I saw said as little as 12K years ago, there was a much lower sea level with a lot of the water locked up at the poles. So much for the global warming crowd.
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          • Posted by Dobrien 9 years, 1 month ago
            Over 1000 known flood myths world wide. Evidence close to home is the scablands in Washington.
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            • Posted by Flootus5 9 years, 1 month ago
              That was the Missoula Flood. A backed up Lake in the Rockies broke through the melting ice jam and a torrent of water roared down into eastern Washington and kept on going on down the Columbia. It scoured the land of any soil it had - hence the scablands. Turns out a lot of the sediments that were redeposited are in giant ripple marks that can only be seen as such from the air. Rolling farmland these days are on these monster scale ripple marks. There were humans in the area at the time; makes you think that it would indeed be memorable.
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              • Posted by Dobrien 9 years, 1 month ago
                12900 bc the start of the younger dryas period coincides with the instant extinction of mastodons, giant sloths, horses and 30 others in N.America. Cause was a large impact similar to Shoemaker- levy comet hitting Jupiter . The impact instantly melted a 2 mile thick ice sheet over Canada. This theory by Wittke , Kennett , West and Firestone presented in 2007 with much supporting evidence. It has been suggested the Lake Missoula ice dam could not have provided enough volume of water to create the grand coulee gouge.
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              • Posted by Dobrien 9 years, 1 month ago
                J Harlan Bretz first to claim a massive flood caused to scablands to form. He was ostracized
                By the geological community for 50 years for his proper conclusion. The reason the geologists had a gradualism theory they wanted to protect.
                Much evidence now points to something other than the lake Missoula ice dam.
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                • Posted by $ nickursis 9 years, 1 month ago
                  There were probably several across the country, one explanation was advanced that a large lake encompassed the entire Northeast, and it broke creating the St Lawrence channel, as well as dumping a huge amount of fresh water into the Gulf Stream, breaking the conveyor and causing a mini ice age to follow.
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              • Posted by $ nickursis 9 years, 1 month ago
                The Wilmette Valley benefited from that, a lot of people think it was just a glacial scar, but the fertile soil is what came from the flood. The Native Americans have numerous stories of the great flood as well.
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          • Posted by Flootus5 9 years, 1 month ago
            I just embellished upon your point before seeing it was out there. I think it took me 19 minutes to write before I did a refresh! Great topic.

            I live in the Great Basin, where you can see the high strand lines of the Pleistocene Lakes Bonneville and Lahontan WAY up the mountainsides.
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            • Posted by $ nickursis 9 years, 1 month ago
              Then you have front row seats! I am willing to bet the great Basin in SoCal where Death Valley is was once a lake as well, I just saw an article claiming most of CA sits on a huge underground basin they did not know was there.
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              • Posted by Flootus5 9 years, 1 month ago
                The Amargosa River flows south, bends around and then north into Death Valley. It fed a Pleistocene Lake called Lake Manley, after the Manley Party of emigrants that gave the valley its name in 1847.

                This is quite off topic from Jesus's tomb, but here is a link to the Pleistocene Lakes of the Great Basin:

                https://pubs.er.usgs.gov/publication/...

                Click on Plate 1 for the map.

                Again, great topic.

                When I lived in Fallon, Nevada, we always used to say we were the proud owners of lake bottom property!
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                • Posted by $ nickursis 9 years, 1 month ago
                  Intresting study, you can see a lot of north /south mountains, which makes sense for farthest souther penetration during the glacial period, then as they retreat, they melt, forming the large lakes. So, that would account for the lower seal levels, and lend support to some of the "wild" claims made by some of the more out there archeologists for civilization going back a lot further than currently thought by mainstream. It also would support the theory about the Younaguni structure being a seacoast city from at least 10K years ago.
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      • Posted by $ Olduglycarl 9 years, 1 month ago
        Bicameral man could not self reflect, he could not make up stuff and being brain only...like liberals today...had no choice but to blame something for natural events. As far as aliens, yes there is a degree of probability present here...Can you say...The Book of Enoch?...those that fell favor to our sons, daughters and animal kingdom did NOT represent anything in the cosmos what so ever. As described...they were the MOST barbaric idiotic creatures in all of creation...I call them the "Fallen Idiots".
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      • Posted by Dobrien 9 years, 1 month ago
        Nickursis , You might check out this author who has uncovered with extensive research, evidence of a lost world wide civilization that was wiped out by a massive devastating flood caused by a meteor that split up and left a debris field from the Yukon to Syria .
        Hancock, Graham (2015). Magicians of the Gods. Coronet
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  • Posted by $ MikeMarotta 9 years, 1 month ago
    Who the hell cares?
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    • Posted by $ nickursis 9 years, 1 month ago
      Well, in light of the constant barrage of muslim terrorists material, I thought is was a good variation that someone reports someone doing something not terroristic for once. Sort of like showing the full story. I am not averse to any one or group, except when they seek to impose their will on me. Also, the church, even if you do not subscribe to religion, is an archeological item and cultural icon.
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      • Posted by Dobrien 9 years, 1 month ago
        The area is an archeological treasure trove. The king of Jordan and his country are a bright spot in a very dark part of the world. The king didn't impose his Muslim sharia law on the site. Thanks for sharing Nickursis.
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        • Posted by $ nickursis 9 years, 1 month ago
          Thanks for the reply, I agree, we need some bright spots in a dim, nasty world. I have like Abdullah and his wife ever since I heard of them in the 70's, he was a fighter pilot with the AF, not a wimpy dude at all. Wish he was a US citizen..run him as a prez.
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          • Posted by term2 9 years, 1 month ago
            Too bad we cant rely on the media to give us the straight scoop. All we hear about is muslim terrorists. I am NOT saying that sharia (sp) law is great at all, but all cultures today seem to be a mix of good and bad, even the libertarian political movement (quite conflicted)
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      • Posted by Flootus5 9 years, 1 month ago
        Biblical archaeology is always a fascinating topic. Regardless of all the debate over religion etc., there is a lot of known history in the Bible, and a lot of it can be tied to the ground. Tel Megiddo, Jericho, the Temple Mount are amazing examples. When they can add some new knowledge, it always has a huge effect. There is no doubt that the time of christ had some amazing events that affected the world for thousands of years now.
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  • Posted by Herb7734 9 years, 1 month ago
    A mixture of fantasy and history will likely be revealed. Who knows what artifacts may be revealed (or placed there)?
    One of the reasons the Church doesn't like archeologists and others fooling around with their holy sites and artifacts is that they may disprove what they are purported to be. However, since those who work on this stuff are usually devout, there's little chance of that.
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    • Posted by $ nickursis 9 years, 1 month ago
      The RC Church has it's own archeological group, as well a a large collection that has never been opened to free access by others. They seem to be secretive about that kind of stuff.
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