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Rand's Last Public Lecture: The Sanction of Victims

Posted by khalling 12 years, 4 months ago to Philosophy
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Posting as a follow-on to Eudaimonia's post on survey of professions' contribution to society. the Q and A at the end is quite provocative, including statements about time for a tea party and her thoughts on Reagan



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  • Posted by Rocky_Road 12 years, 4 months ago in reply to this comment.
    This one I like!

    My dad used to fly to Havana with Pan Am during the Batista days of plenty. He was piloting one of the last Pan Am flights out of the capital as Castro was rolling through the gates. When he landed in Miami, they found a refugee tangled in the landing gear...

    I am going to look up any downloads for this group. They certainly will augment my sandwich!
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  • Posted by 12 years, 4 months ago in reply to this comment.
    her definition is common philosophically for faith. If you want to come up with another definition go for it-but this is a post on Ayn rand and her thoughts and views. Clarifying comments in this post with her thoughts and views seems appropriate...
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  • Posted by Rocky_Road 12 years, 4 months ago in reply to this comment.
    Oh, great!

    The Sound of Mucus...my favorite movie to hate.

    And I was looking forward to a great Cuban sandwich, while sitting on my dining room chair (which I have "confident faith" in)....

    Pepto Dismal time. ;;-)
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  • Posted by Rocky_Road 12 years, 4 months ago in reply to this comment.
    The only thing after my clip was Tom Synder thanking her for the interview, and telling her "God bless you"...which she accepted.

    A good interview, and worth the 29:04 of my time!

    I was a great fan of Tom Synder, and had to chuckle as his cigarette smoke came between Ayn and the camera! I grew up in a great time for television, and could spend days reminiscing about the old shows.
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  • Posted by LeeCrites 12 years, 4 months ago in reply to this comment.
    @Khalling: Just because Rand has a quote on faith does not mean it is accurate or clue-full. The Catholic church has lots of comments on the Freemasons and the Templar Knights -- two groups I belong to. Few of them are correct. The "papal authority" does not change facts and definitions. Neither does Rand's authority.

    I'm not being anti-Rand. I'm just saying her ability to make authoritative comments in one area does not imply her ability to make authoritative comments in any other area.
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  • Posted by Rocky_Road 12 years, 4 months ago in reply to this comment.
    There are more types of 'faith' than religious, or Ayn Rand's.

    I have 'faith' that you will always argue with what I say, and my 'faith' has been pretty solid!

    See what I mean? ;-)

    Let's just disagree...again?
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  • Posted by 12 years, 4 months ago in reply to this comment.
    I am so sorry, this is not faith. You are drawing a logical inference. Rand on faith:
    "A dogma is a set of beliefs accepted on faith; that is without rational justification or against rational evidence." Playboy Interview
    In order for it to be "faith" for the chair to hold you, there would be no evidence that it would do so. You have been sitting on chairs your whole life, they have either held you or they were flawed, but the EVIDENCE is that is how it goes with chairs. rational inference.
    Shooting a rocket into space at a certain speed and trajectory that it will end up in orbit around the Earth, is a product of PROFOUND reason and science, no faith.
    go answer my other post .
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  • Posted by Rocky_Road 12 years, 4 months ago in reply to this comment.
    There are religions that use their faith in a political manner to protect their autonomy, and their belief systems.

    The Mormons come to mind, as well as the Amish.

    Not to mention the Hebrews...without their political application of their faith, they would have all perished in the world's ovens.
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  • Posted by Rocky_Road 12 years, 4 months ago in reply to this comment.
    Agreed.

    We all use faith everyday of our lives, although it is subconscious, and we would be unable to function otherwise: When I sit down at the dining room table to have dinner, my faith in the chair not suddenly collapsing, and putting me into traction, allows me to enjoy my meal.

    When I approach a red light at a busy intersection, I have faith that my car brakes will stop me in time...and the car behind me can do the same.

    And on, and on...!
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  • Posted by OH45458 12 years, 4 months ago in reply to this comment.
    True. In my case my faith was obtained through my own reasoning, my study of history, and thus my inherent mistrust of organized religion. In too many cases in my study in history, I've seen religion used as a political tool to manipulate people. Whenever I see faith used as a tool to motivate people politically, I immediately hold it as suspect, and begin following the money, because there is always money and thirst for power somewhere in the equation.
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  • Posted by Rocky_Road 12 years, 4 months ago in reply to this comment.
    I narrowed the link to the one.

    And I also liked her comment, since she uses "God" in the same context that I do.

    I was happy to see this...!
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  • Posted by OH45458 12 years, 4 months ago in reply to this comment.
    Religion is not the same as faith in God. Religion is a construct of man. In my view, when anyone talks about religion, I think of faith corrupted by politics.
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  • Posted by j_IR1776wg 12 years, 4 months ago
    Thank you for posting this. The social worker who AR quoted about how happy she was that in the USSR everyone was "equally shabby" neatly encapsulates BO's goals for America. I hope more people besides us are viewing this.
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  • Posted by 12 years, 4 months ago in reply to this comment.
    your bing search link gives me all rand videos. which one in particular?
    If you are speaking about how Rand felt regarding people saying "God Bless America," I am aware of that and agree with her sentiment 100%
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  • Posted by 12 years, 4 months ago in reply to this comment.
    Interesting. In Galt's speech, when he speaks about about God, it is most definitely an organized religious take on deism. and in other writings as well, she discusses the irrationality of religion. I still think she is an atheist.
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  • Posted by OH45458 12 years, 4 months ago
    I just posted this to my friends and family on Facebook, with the admonishment:

    Please listen to her interview till the end...Many people, even Objectionists I think, believe that Ayn Rand was an atheist. However, I don't agree. I think she was a Deist. A Deist does not believe that the existence of God matters, because a Deist believes that God does not intervene in mankind's daily life. As such, all that matters is that we each live are lives morally. I believe her philosophy is that anyone who abandons his or her own best interest is abandoning his or her responsibility to oneself, and as an extension to mankind. Because it is only through the advancement of oneself that each can collectively then advance mankind.
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  • Posted by LaissezFaire 12 years, 4 months ago
    Thanks for sharing. It has been years since I've seen this (had it on VHS tape years ago) and it's good to know it's now on YouTube.
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  • Posted by $ Tap2Golf 12 years, 4 months ago
    Oh yes...the q/a session was great...so gracious with humor. Thanks again.
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