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Solving the National Language Problem KISS works it's miracle.

Posted by $ MichaelAarethun 9 years, 6 months ago to Education
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First of all the overwhelming majority speak English and the bulk of the documents, laws etc. are in English and English is the world for economics, banking, aircraft operations, ship piloting and maritime operations etc.

So divide the country into groups

1. Citizens and long time residents who speak a. English b. English and one other language. c. No English but one or more other languages.

2. Residents coming into the couontry on a work permit, immigration program something of that nature.

English number one, Spanish Number two the rest are negligible but valuable.

Methods of attacking the problem. Public schools, public schools with night classes, private schools, enlightened schools such as Berlitz Total Immersion. All the rest are stone age lump them together.

Who? Fact of life it doesn't take a language major to teacha language. It does take someone fluent in a particular langauge.

Illiterates need not apply.

The rest will sort itself out and initially perhaps with a little funding for a year or two .

Next the goals.

Everyone speaks two languages with no exceptions except those over 80 or here temporarily.

TheGovernment will not hire anyone nor accept in to the military ayone who isn't bi-lingual. That's the stick and the carrot.

Next Rule. No citizenship without complete fluency in English and one other language.

No one passes 8th grade without some foreign language training, 12th grade without at least a level two fluency a foriegn language and Level three proficiency in English. Any university degree with out a level five in English and level four in at least one foreign language.

Public schools will not be allowed to teach any subject whatsoever until the new student has gone through the English language course. Loss of credentials and public funding is the punishment. Doing their job for a change is the reward.

Now thinking I've short changed the Latinos guess which language is a. most prevalent in the western hemsiphere and b. easiest to learn. SPANISH! hint hint.

So here's Johnny Dimwit who can't get in the Army without a foreign langage and geater than valley girl grasp of what passes for English. Does he choolse Portuguese? Maybe, italian Maybe,French Maybe Russian No Chinese No. Mongolian Hell no.

But the other students will and probably some of them speak a foreign language coming into the country, English in preparation or upon arrival and then do a third and many will have three or four from the get go.

The homies have to learn English as a foreign language and back to Spanish. as the easiest one.

the unfair part but that's not my problem is the original citizens will be behind the eight ball But not draftable? No. The Army takes them they go to language school period. No pass discharged.

the other ha ha unfair part is the foreign students will zoom to the top of the pack.

The advantage is we reduce the national language need to what it truly IS Mostly English with a helluva lot of Spanish.

what do you think they will teach in Mexico or Canada? Same thing they teach now Spanish and English or Canadian and English.

That's a fracking joke.

Berlitz schools take one week for easy languages up to Russian and twoweeks for exceptionally difficult language using total immersion. The concept is simpile. Monday morning you walk in a fully furnished apartment and the teachers start rotating in. Only the subject langugae is allowed. By Saturday evening 2,000 word vocabulary comprehension speaking, reading and writing.

Where do you get the instructors? Language Departments of any college and all those educated people immigrating in country. Another blow for Spanish as the second choice.

by the way....in the westeren hemisphere HALF the world there are three major languages . Spanish, English, Portuguese.

In the other continents they number from a hundred or so to as many as a hundred iin one country. Count your blessings it's an easy fix and a great melting pot and that's the real problem. Those who want diversity to divide and control will be against it. those who want to honor the ethnic cultures and backgrounds of the world will enjoy the lerning experience of the North American Culture. If we can find where we put it.


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  • Posted by $ 9 years, 6 months ago in reply to this comment.
    The World Is Flat describing a leveling of the playing field due to transportation and communication advances is another great read. My favorite part was a gentleman from and working in India who scoffed at the slave labor wages charge. In our economy I am upper middle class or something close to that ...In your economy I couldn't afford Ramen. That's not a direct quote but you get the idea. What do they do?

    Factor all those VISA and MC and other such purchases. Another company did direct customer service and relations and a third did billings. All over the satellite systems. All for corporations in the USA.

    What happend to the USA employees? I think they are still on the picket lines and demanding a TrumpWall be built around the USA with tariffs to protect their jobs? What jobs. The USA company is probably now in some place like BVI.
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  • Posted by $ Olduglycarl 9 years, 6 months ago in reply to this comment.
    The "Panty hose" languages nor any other languages can't express the vast array of concepts common to Conscious understanding.
    In the New Julian Jaynes book, linguist are now seeing that a lack of consciousness is due to the lack of sufficient language in most cultures. Because of that, they are considered Preliterate.

    And...to beat the band...the muslim cultures are at the top of that preliterate list...Think maybe that's why they are still barbaric in nature. Can you imagine the horror for those few that have some sort of conscience.
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  • Posted by $ 9 years, 6 months ago in reply to this comment.
    I was hoping for as reply before the bus leaves but some after thought goes like this. It's all right to say it will never happen here that's the ostrich syndrome and it's nature is of course ostrich like. As such it should be treated as such. Irrelevant. They won't be alive but thier not so easily fooled children will be alive.

    So here's the final question. How do you want to be remembered to iyour grand children and other descendents.

    We knew the inevitable was going to happen but didn't care as long as it was after we died.

    We knew the inevitable was going to happen but decided to ignore it hoping that like the Constiutition it would shut up and go away.

    We were a strong believer in Urban Myths being unable to understand and apply the three basic laws of objectivism.

    We saw the light but did not know what to do?

    We knew what to do but the couch was more comfortable to our potato ass.

    We knew what to do and did it.

    One solution to consider is think of a new coalition. Constitutional Republic and New American Citizens. George Washington made it work and after all those that don't support the first part are really part of those who helped destroy it. Why do we owe them any support or loyallty?

    We don''t.

    Constitutional Convention?
    Amendments by a majority of Congress (Spanish Speakers)
    Spanish the official language?

    All more than very possible.
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  • Posted by $ 9 years, 6 months ago in reply to this comment.
    English has been well over a million for that reason and Spoanish is around 300,000 plus. They make damn good use of multiple meanngs for words though.

    For those tha tthink 2050 or close to it will not bring a time of a Spanish speaking majority the locals would simple say. Frijoles. Thanks for the assist!
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  • Posted by $ Olduglycarl 9 years, 6 months ago
    Here is an interesting commentary on language and which might encompass the most words and concepts of all languages.

    That might be English...

    The reason for this is historical. English was originally a Germanic language, related to Dutch and German, and it shares much of its grammar and basic vocabulary with those languages. However, after the Norman Conquest in 1066 it was hugely influenced by Norman French, which became the language of the ruling class for a considerable period, and by Latin, which was the language of scholarship and of the Church. Very large numbers of French and Latin words entered the language. Consequently, English has a much larger vocabulary than either the Germanic languages or the members of the Romance language family to which French belongs.

    English is also very ready to accommodate foreign words, and as it has become an international language, it has absorbed vocabulary from a large number of other sources. This does, of course, assume that you ignore 'agglutinative' languages such as Finnish, in which words can be stuck together in long strings of indefinite length, and which therefore have an almost infinite number of 'words'.
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  • Posted by $ 9 years, 6 months ago in reply to this comment.
    Now that's the kind of answer I was looking for. Take it a step further.

    To imporove education besides dumping the Department of Education and to improve the economy from a straight business viewpoint would you see a return to both improved English and foreign languages, either one or neither?

    Since Spanish as an equal to or more spoken than English is projected to occur 2030 to 2050 depending on which google available study and that included or excludes illegals.

    A. Make English the official language now.
    B. Move toward a Canadian system including government forms and documents in both languages.
    C. with or without B add costs of staffing and printing
    D. And in the military where split second orders have not time to be given nor understood in two languages (other situations apply such as operating nuclear power plants) OK or not OK a single language?

    It's a given that by then 20-30 to 2050 or shortly after you may have no choice as it's likely an official language will be chosen for you.

    Based on the increase in Spanish speakers and decrease in English speakers and moreso in literate english speakers.

    Coupled with the PC stuff I personally see Canadian system as likely.

    Third area is if languages are returned to edcuation would you favor the same one hour a day five days a week in grade and high school and six hours three days a week in college or looking at the one week and two week systems followed by support instruction in other areas such as literature, culture of the new language.

    Fourth and now you see where I'm really going with this With Spanish number one in Western Hemisphere and increasing, English Number two and decreasing - without considering the rest of the world's hodgepodge and our decreasing influence in economic, trade, and transportation considered at what point might we consider preparing for the inevitable future?

    which is my blunt way of stating an obvious problem which will manifest itself at it's own speed.

    Enjoy the thinking and reasoning part has arrived The rest has been just to notice something and perhaps wondering about it's nature.
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  • Posted by OldScar 9 years, 6 months ago in reply to this comment.
    Grandiose government solutions based on social engineering inevitably result in coercion. If an individual wants to learn a foreign language there are plenty of ways to do it right now without involving Big Brother.
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  • Posted by $ 9 years, 6 months ago in reply to this comment.
    Not the answer to your question but a sort of lead is think about the best way to inlfuence a huge amount of people in a very short time.

    Choice One: A site like Galt's Gulch
    Choice Two . Your sandard Blog or on line news and commentary journal.
    Choice Three. Social Media.

    I'm seeing the twitters, twatters, and twatters and farcial facials have far out grown any other form of human contact inlcuding face to face or even voice to voice using cells as real telephones. To the point where one cannot use the facilities without reporting it to the world.

    Low expectations but heavy interest coupled with a lack of former telephone manners fits a dumbed down population to the point I truly wish the original meaning of dumb had survived.

    Off track a bit - given a choice of twitter face and an Obamba level mentality for the majorithy of the country, incuding educators and the remnants of the media is there any other way to influence people other than this new addiction.

    By the way I did miss the bus for real which is why I have the time to to post this thought before going into 24 hour delay and continue mode.

    Well that's not an answer but Add to the observation I've often seen people pretend to ahve a conversation with someone as if to show the world "See I'm iimportant." I thought ridiculous was a better word choice but then who was influencing whom?

    Prime group groping area for the left to find fertile recruiting. After all the same mentality is exactly that which makes good collective members.
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  • Posted by $ 9 years, 6 months ago in reply to this comment.
    Quote from Heinlein. Deal. Thanks.

    I disagree on the rest. Not perfect and I don't write everything down but they are all sourced and cited. As you guessed I am an expat still heavily involved but because the USA priced itself out of the market for a mere 24 years infantry combat soldier and reneged on most of it's retirement promises.

    Not the USA but this current string of governments which i refer to as the USSA. I do not support the single party system, the pretend rigged elections nor anything about the current leftist government. I do support my original oath of office and sincerely wish the current military would up hold there's while they still have one to honor. I am heavily supportive of a return to a Constitutional Republic status.

    I define the left as anyone putting government over ciizens which starts with Republicans and goes out to Sanders, Soros and the rest of them. In a nutshell. I don't use leftist nor PC definitions nor recognize the center of the left as the center. That is the Constitution. Sad you folks abandoned it.

    A lot of what I do is try to start conversations , light a match pour a little gas on the fire and the active membership provides most of the heat. Left or right. One can learn a lot reading the answers and the responses to a little button pushing. I'm supposing we are part of the 46% to 50 plus % who have opted out as we have no representation whatsoever.

    But I overslept and missed the bus so must start the days work again, Being retired gives me that option. Two or three times a year I have to recross the border. Having found one of the many available better places I can't say I enjoy but ....duty calls or the usual convoluted inward focused requirements of life still as a citizen. The anchor chains are heavy, varied and too many for a supposed free country. It reminds me to really appreaciate living in a much freer environment.

    I wish you the same and envy you not at all.

    To the rest of you YES I overslept and missed the bus. I think it comes with a disease called candlitism or too many candles on too many cakes for too many years.

    Fellow active members of the the Gulch and acolytes of Objectivism I salute you.
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    Ahh yes mosquito's the state bird particularly up north as we say. In the twin cities we have the metropolitan mosquito control that does reduce the count. Even worse can be the deer fly that have made my hands swell like balloons more than once . Thanks to 5 months of winter the bugs hide out till spring? Maid rites are good, oh sure, you betcha. The govt has f'd up the boundary waters canoe area
    But it is still a brilliant nature experience .
    The left have over ruled almost every vote I have
    Submitted.
    The leftist professors have nauseated me before I could understand why, usually before they opened their mouth.

    Question why are they liberal professors able to sway so many students to altruistic collectivism and you were UN affected?
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  • Posted by $ Terrylutz3682 9 years, 6 months ago in reply to this comment.
    If you looked me up on google you would find more acommplishments than reading AS. Your search is incomplete like most of your comments. I am a USA patriot not a globalist. What do you mean about 'where were your drops'?
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  • Posted by $ 9 years, 6 months ago in reply to this comment.
    Total Points: 135
    Location: Hartford, WI
    Landed: 3 years, 4 months ago
    Last Seen: 5 hours, 5 minutes ago

    Greatest accomplishment Read AS.

    Welcome to the Gulch. We are not confined to the USA.Question: You really have three? Where were your drops?
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  • Posted by $ Terrylutz3682 9 years, 6 months ago in reply to this comment.
    I have both more intellect and balls than you. We should compare what we have accomplished in this USA. Maybe you should leave the site.
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  • Posted by $ 9 years, 6 months ago in reply to this comment.
    Argentine has a lot of Italian and German in certain segments of the country. Chileans say Alo or ah low instead of Oh Lah Hola as a greeting not sure how that happened it's more english in it's sound.
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  • Posted by CircuitGuy 9 years, 6 months ago in reply to this comment.
    "PR has much more Portuguese than Argentine."
    Interesting. I don't notice it, but it certainly makes sense. That's the same way Papiamentu formed, except it's a mix of Portugese, Spanish, Dutch, and African languages, and it sounds sort of like Puerto Rican.
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  • Posted by Suzanne43 9 years, 6 months ago in reply to this comment.
    As a first and second grade teacher, I loved teaching math....getting those little minds to grasp subtraction regrouping was a real challenge. Guess I'll have to brush up on French if I'm ever lucky enough to get back to France. Until then, I will continue to use it infrequently when I do my crosswords.
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  • Posted by ChuckyBob 9 years, 6 months ago in reply to this comment.
    Nope, PR has much more Portuguese than Argentine. When both the Spaniards and Portuguese sailed across they would aim for Puerto Rico where they could resupply.
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  • Posted by CircuitGuy 9 years, 6 months ago in reply to this comment.
    "Puerto Rican has a heavy Portuguese influence."
    You mean Argentine has a heavy Portuguese influence, right?

    Puerto Rican is one I find harder to understand because of the unstressed R's sounding like L's, the S's and fricative D's being absent, strong vowels dipthongized (lado --> la'o --> lau), and whole nasal character of it. I'm familiar with it b/c I hear it a lot on 11m (the 26-28MHz range, including CB). I guess it's an accident of history that they teach Colombian Spanish in school, and Puerto Rican sounds far-from-standard

    I find Argentine distinctive but easily intelligible.
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  • Posted by ChuckyBob 9 years, 6 months ago in reply to this comment.
    Too bad, my Spanish has served me well, as has my algebra and geometry. Sounds like a good excuse to visit the south of France!
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  • Posted by Suzanne43 9 years, 6 months ago in reply to this comment.
    I took French. It was rather like learning algebra and geometry, because during my life I can say that I have seldom is ever used any of the three. Oh, wait...I have used a little French when doing crossword puzzles.
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  • Posted by $ 9 years, 6 months ago in reply to this comment.
    It would depend on how the program was implemented Hopefully with one national standard but in fifty different ways.
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  • Posted by $ 9 years, 6 months ago in reply to this comment.
    And how the programmers screwed that up so....let them play with zeros and ones. I can count to 12 which is more than they accomplished.
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  • Posted by $ 9 years, 6 months ago in reply to this comment.
    ok I unintentionally lied but i will not do another thread The belong to aother posters. U know the group that took over.
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