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Coup or Fire

Posted by mminnick 9 years, 11 months ago to News
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Coup or Fire. Let me explain. The attempted coup in Turkey failed, 1,000's of antigovernment individuals eein arrested or detailed. Officers in hiding in Greece. Erdogan gaining more power. Switch to Pre WW 2 Germany. Reichstag Fire [set by the NAZIs, blamed on others], opposition party members arrested or detained, assumption of dictatorial powers.
Are we seeing the same in Turkey under Erdogan? News reports say that his top military aide is being sought by the government.
It all seems like a power play but who knows.
The most troubling fact is Turkey has the 2nd largest Army in ATO. It Borders on all of the current hotspots and has absolute control over entry and departure to the black sea.
If Erdogan becomes more Islamist in view, perhaps even radicalized, it could get real ugly in a hurry in that part of the world and Europe. The Turks tried to capture Europe one before. Read about the Ottoman empire and the Balkans. Look at Albania.
Call me suspicious or even paranoid. I just don't trust the current government in Turkey.

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  • Posted by $ MichaelAarethun 9 years, 11 months ago in reply to this comment.
    Either that or he will bomb them as as increased target of oppotunity area realizing NATO and especially the USA are powerless to stop him - although I don't know why we should. Support Putin over Obama. Why not? As a supporter of the Constitutional Republic Obama isn't on my side.
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  • Posted by IndianaGary 9 years, 11 months ago
    I wouldn't put it past Erdogan to have set this up as a cat's paw that he could swat in order to declaw (pun intended) his military before they were really ready to oust him. IMO, Turkey is headed toward becoming an Islamist state and is no ally of ours.
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  • Posted by ChuckyBob 9 years, 11 months ago
    You are not paranoid if, in fact, they all are out to get you.
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  • Posted by Wanderer 9 years, 11 months ago in reply to this comment.
    Zark;

    It's already happening.

    Circumstances make strange bedfellows. Putin is primarily antiwestern. For almost a century Turkey leaned prowestern. It has done an about face and is now primarily antiwestern. Putin wanted Assad to stay but, rumor has it, had quietly conceded he may have to go. Syria may once have served a strategic purpose but, having secured Sevastopol, Turkey is now far more important to Putin than was Syria. Pulling Turkey out of NATO is part of his plan and, most likely, part of Erdogan's plan.

    Assad and Erdogan are off and on friends but, Assad's tolerance of religious minorities is at odds with Erdogan's hard-line Muslim stance. Now that Erdogan has gotten rid of the last of the secularists, Turkey will become an Islamic state and, that means Assad will have to go. Putin will sacrifice Assad to placate Erdogan.
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  • Posted by DrZarkov99 9 years, 11 months ago in reply to this comment.
    Alliance with Putin? Highly unlikely. Putin supports Assad, and Erdogan wants Assad gone. The Turks and Russians have been fighting for centuries, and there's no love lost between them. I had a Turkish acquaintance in the military who made a game of collecting Soviet sentries ears, just to remind them they should fear Turks and their knife skills.
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  • Posted by jimslag 9 years, 11 months ago
    So, the idea of Israel and it's nukes was brought up. Another thing to think about is that Incirlik Air Base is the largest NATO Air Base and during the cold war, was a storage for H-61, Hydrogen bombs. Last I heard is that there are still around 60-80 H-61 bombs in a nuclear storage at Incirlik. It is a host run base, so the Turks are in control of the base. In fact the base commander was arrested as one of the co-conspirators of the coup. Power was cut to the base and it is on Condition Delta, the highest alert condition. I heard they can do flights again, but for a while no flights and no one could leave.
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  • Posted by term2 9 years, 11 months ago in reply to this comment.
    unfortunately its a little late for that solution. BUT, we dont have to let any more in, especially refugees that add little to our country but subtract a lot. muslims seem to want to be with their own kind, and not be infiltrated by the west. Which is fine with me- just stay in your own countries and dont come here to enjoy our fruits and then be upset at the fact we are the "west"
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  • Posted by $ allosaur 9 years, 11 months ago in reply to this comment.
    The only way to make staying out of all that crazy work is to send a lot of that same crazy back out of our country.
    Muslims do not want anything to do with assimilating. Their Koran teaches taking over or else.
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  • Posted by johnpe1 9 years, 11 months ago
    Erdogan flaunting his power in order to increase it?
    could well be. -- j
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  • Posted by term2 9 years, 11 months ago
    So if the main dude in Turkey is sunni, why are there so many attacks by ISIS there? Islam is definitely one crazy religion. We should stay out of all that and do our own thing here in the good ol USA- make America strong and prosperous. Leave the muslims to sit in their cold dark tents when the oil runs out there and we have hopefully figured out how NOT to need imports from there.
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  • Posted by Wanderer 9 years, 11 months ago in reply to this comment.
    Turkey will now become an Islamic republic. Westerners will find it an increasingly dangerous place - for them. It will become even more of a hindrance to NATO than it has been. It will cooperate even less with NATO's other members and will eventually drop out if NATO doesn't actually ask it to leave.

    Erdogan will make friends with and form a mutually beneficial relationship with Putin. They will cooperate against the Kurds and Armenians and Georgians. Erdogan supports ISIS against Iran. Putin supports Assad against the insurgents. I predict Erdogan and Putin will cooperate on a partition of Syria.

    Turkey will continue to arm Palestinians and cause as much trouble as it can for Israel. Turkey will continue funneling Muslim refugees to Europe.
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  • Posted by Wanderer 9 years, 11 months ago in reply to this comment.
    I agree. The geographic area has been ruled by lots of different groups over the centuries but, there has never been a nation or a citizenry of Palestine or Palestinians.

    Ever read "Catch the Jew!"? Funny and enlightening book. I recommend it.
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  • Posted by freedomforall 9 years, 11 months ago
    Trusting any government is insane.
    Never trust. Always expect corruption.
    Never, N E V E R, give your blank check book to government (like the American people did in 1913.)
    Worry about the American government first and foremost.
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  • Posted by $ Olduglycarl 9 years, 11 months ago in reply to this comment.
    Yow!...I was in the south once, during my army years...EVERYTHING IS BLACKENED! wasn't even sure it was meat...could of been road kill for all I knew...no wonder they all look toothless. Laughing.
    I like a few black stripes on my rare steak thank you.
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  • Posted by $ AJAshinoff 9 years, 11 months ago in reply to this comment.
    The concept of palestine is a fraud in and of itself. Palestine was a geographic description used by British land surveyors to denote a specific parcel of land...there has never been a palstine or palestinain people in history, never. Those folks calling themselves palestinain today can thank Egypt and Syria for reneging on their part of the agreements in the formation of Israel, and closing their borders to the nomadic wanders and forcing them to squat in the newly formed nation.

    It's an interesting chunk of history for those who wish to look.
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  • Posted by $ MichaelAarethun 9 years, 11 months ago in reply to this comment.
    It isn't in order . The phrase is one is coffee and the other is burnt. No one gets upset and everyone is happy. but in truth there isn't any difference between the two except the name.

    Now as to barbecue One is burnt and the othere is true. A good Texas barbecue burns the meat slightly and has a completely different type of 'hot' sauce wise from Louisiana and they from the rest of the South. Then there is Oklahoma. Dos Okies leans toward Texas style but if you find them in Port Townsend, Washington be aware they use Dave's Insanity
    Sauce as a base. That's the one that has instructions for cleaning concrete garage floors using their product. It's not a joke.
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  • Posted by $ Olduglycarl 9 years, 11 months ago in reply to this comment.
    If your metaphors are in order then Gafe Greco was burnt...I would've figured the opposite but maybe the present world has tainted my view.
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  • Posted by $ MichaelAarethun 9 years, 11 months ago in reply to this comment.
    The comment deleted was mistakenly placed in this thread dealing with an entirely different subject. But it will return. Elsewhere.
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  • Posted by Wanderer 9 years, 11 months ago in reply to this comment.
    Kurds are a special case, mostly Sunnis but, not the same as most Sunnis. Some Izidis, some Christians. In the last few years many Sunni Kurds have turned toward Zoroastroism.

    That's one of the reasons I believe it's possible to turn Muslims away from Islam. Many of them want something spiritual but, would welcome spiritualism without Islam's militaristic baggage.
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  • Posted by $ MichaelAarethun 9 years, 11 months ago in reply to this comment.
    True and I have visited there. Very western but still at odds with Greece. In delivering fuel contracts for NATO we could go from Greek refinery to Turkish discharge port. We could not go from a Greek base however to anywhere with Israel as a business waypoint. Fuel or whatever the ship was carrying. Even though the same load might be split among those same countries. As a form of protection Israel did not stamp our passports if the next port or two were Islamic. or even just inc case. Best made coffee in the world in that part of the world exactly the same but one is Gafe Turkos and the other Cafe Greco.. I'm still asked the difference. Depending on whose asking I answer in one form or another One is Turkos and the other is not. Sort of like Southern and Texas barbecue. One is barbecue the orther is burnt.
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  • Posted by $ MichaelAarethun 9 years, 11 months ago in reply to this comment.
    or more properly stated when it moves in that direction. They lost a lot in the breakup of Yougoslavia and the home folks executions of the leaders of Albania and Romania and others and still view that the same as Palestine. Part of their country. I know have friends who immigrated to the USA whose children are marrying each other Croation girl to Bosnian boy. One comment I still hear is they keep an eye on the immigrant Islamic community lest they have to take up arms again. Between those factions there is no peace.
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  • Posted by $ MichaelAarethun 9 years, 11 months ago in reply to this comment.
    Amd which of the two are Kurdish? I know it' sjust the part you left out who arre ad odds with Shia Iraq and with Turkey in general. No thanks to the British mistake they left the Kurds divided instead of united and that would have put a huge stake in the middle of the Iran, Iraq, Turkish, and even the Saudi problem. Anytime you divide a nation artificially, going back to Vietnam as an object lesson it leaves a mess for future generations to clean up and oithers to take advantage. I discount Palestine which was not a nation state despite the protests of the American Nazi Party.whose existence as part of the American left wing is the Amereican mistake. Back to Kurdistan I wonder if the British were stil limagining themselves in shining armor and fearing the ghost of Saladin.
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