Scientists under attack

Posted by $ Olduglycarl 9 years, 4 months ago to Science
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Ask a question, find a problem, question the process...you're attacked, you're threatened and your career is over...if not your life.

Sounds like the climate warming tactics? If they were on the up and up...why would they resort to gorilla tactics?
They have no idea how it effects us because they've never checked, watched or I suggest...cared.

Are they moral or immoral in their actions in the Ayn Rand world.


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  • Posted by $ MichaelAarethun 9 years, 4 months ago in reply to this comment.
    That's not the point. When providing facts, figures, and abbreviations it's the commonly polite thing to do in the first usage to provide a defintion. Until then no one but you really knows what you thought you meant to say but failed to do so. Further considering your attitude will have to consider anything and everything you say as suspect until you learn that basic lesson in communication. Happily i assume nothing. Evidence of sloppy writing is as bad as my own need to spell check the spell checkers

    You don't speak for everyone when you cannot speak for yourself first.
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  • Posted by lrshultis 9 years, 4 months ago in reply to this comment.
    So why put unnatural substances into the body? The increasing life spans are partially do to unnatural substances in the form of drugs.
    There are only natural substances, anyway. Just because a human creates a substance does not make it unnatural. How can a natural cause such as a human produce something that is not part of reality, nature?
    Actually, Rand did not mean that you can actually avoid reality, since reality is not out there dictating what you can or cannot do, but that if you want to act physically or understand reality, reality must be obeyed. There are no actions that can be contrary to reality. A real result comes from any action, but not what you might wrongly believe for the result.
    One just gets into a tied up mind by considering that human caused stuff is somehow not natural.
    The natural versus human caused consideration is part of the basis for the human-is-evil and should be wiped from the Earth mentality.
    People are living longer and more are saved from disease than ever before. There are more cases of dementia an Alzheimer's because people live longer and are not getting it younger. New possible treatment for amyloid plaque is in lab test stage. Seems that cannabinoids may remove the plaque in lab tests. Would be really good if it pans out since one of my dad's sisters died of it at age 60 and my dad had dementia at my age of 76.
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  • Posted by $ MichaelAarethun 9 years, 4 months ago in reply to this comment.
    Finding he best way to increase usable crop and live stock production is a long process. Starvation is more iimmediate. Thus found out Rachel Carson and the DDT scare when she rightlfully ended up taking credit for becoming a mass murderer for NOT thinking things through, ot testing and not objectively finding out if the product was useful or not useful and those long term effects. Now she goes in history as someone to be reviled and feared.
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  • Posted by $ MichaelAarethun 9 years, 4 months ago in reply to this comment.
    Don't land don't ike being around people who can't control themselves without drugs period. They are somehow lacking in their full portion of humanity.
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  • Posted by lrshultis 9 years, 4 months ago in reply to this comment.
    First of all, there is no actor "nature" involved, just things doing what they do relative to other things. Where do you get the idea that there are non-real people? And did not cross breed with other species, assuming that Neanderthals were and other species, but Neanderthal DNA being in many Homo sapien sapien shows interbreeding, though you will say you are not talking about what you consider non-conscious beings? So you will not eat new kinds of citrus fruit or fruit that has been genetically modified?
    If a gene is used to produce a specific protein and does produce that protein whether in a plant or animal and the body can usefully use it, does it matter whether it gets it from the plant or animal? What would matter is how neighboring genes and junk DNA might affect the expression of the gene in the different life forms.
    As for allopathic medicine, which is the usual medicine: suppose a means to turn on apoptosis in cancer cells were to be found. That would be contrary to the chemistry of the body and be allopathic medicine. Would you run from the cure because it would be allopathic in nature and require some kind of homeopathic medicine, either in minute doses or in larger doses?
    You are what, about 60, just getting near the stage of life where little health problems become more numerous because there is a large chance component to the biochemistry of the body. I was fine until 74 when atherosclerosis made its nasty entrance. Have genetically related low HDL which stays at about 40 when it should be near 60. New drugs in testing stage are being dropped so far. They raise HDL to a desired level but did not reduce the rate of new heart attacks.
    Is there any way to eat which is not natural? Should mankind stop thinking of how to improve life and go natural? Does the biochemistry of the body choose between glucose and fructose and other simple sugars depending whether they come from a natural source or not? Does the biochemistry of the body distinguish between a natural protein and get all whiny over a protein made from a GM gene?
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  • Posted by $ 9 years, 4 months ago in reply to this comment.
    It used to be expressed: if you can't eat it, don't put it on your skin...today...we'd have to add...the other way around also.
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  • Posted by $ 9 years, 4 months ago in reply to this comment.
    Ayn's rational self interest should be spelled "Celf-interest" Because every cell in your body is self interested by design.
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  • Posted by Hot_Black_Desiato 9 years, 4 months ago in reply to this comment.
    GM Foods are not natrual in at all. We wonder why people are sick, and getting sicker, why people are having more cases od mental disorders, and people getting dimentia, and alzheimers younger and younger. Blame additives, and GMO's that the body was not designed to metabolize.

    Ayn rand said it this way.

    You can avoid reality...but you cannot avoid the consequenses of avoiding reality.

    Reality is putting unnatural substances into the body is not good for us.
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  • Posted by Hot_Black_Desiato 9 years, 4 months ago in reply to this comment.
    It is about control, money and selfishness in the bad way, not the selfishness Ayn discussed based on rational self-interest.
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  • Posted by $ 9 years, 4 months ago in reply to this comment.
    Magnetic insoles would help your feet...have no suggestions for you vertebrae though...

    Just be careful my friend...we are rationally self interested in enjoying your company.
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  • Posted by $ 9 years, 4 months ago in reply to this comment.
    Fortunately...this is Not a belief system. We see problems here, questions unanswered, and a whole lot of bad behavior. They are fighting the label laws, even those companies that want to label their own products-GMO free...now if they were honest and above board...Why would they do that?
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  • Posted by $ 9 years, 4 months ago in reply to this comment.
    That's no excuse, although, there used to be a time when ethical people, real people, conscious people only cross bread like species and had never presented a problem...why?...because nature did it, not man using bacteria, viruses from, not just unrelated species, but from animals...can you say, "Transmutations"...now does that sound like something nature would do...Ever? I don't think so...this is not your grandfathers " breeding a new kind of apple" here.

    Oh...I am healthy...largely because I eat as natural as I can and take charge of my own health...meaning, I've stepped away from the prescription drugs, allopathic practitioners and the "Sickness Symptom, careless system".
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  • Posted by $ 9 years, 4 months ago in reply to this comment.
    Oh...that would be the smart thing to do...problem...there is no one smart enough or ethical enough to do that. Congress right now has a bill that would void ALL labeling laws throughout the country. Monsanto's special interests are running this show...

    ...still think they're innocent?
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  • Posted by LibertyBelle 9 years, 4 months ago
    Why trust the environmentalists? I remember
    reading a warning in the '70's (or was it a threat?)
    about "nuclear winter" , and now the warning
    is just the opposite. It looks like they'll do anything to destroy industry and keep man from surviving on earth.
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  • Posted by $ allosaur 9 years, 4 months ago in reply to this comment.
    That would kill my type two diabetes feet.
    During the 70s I could jog 4 miles, one mile farther than required by my previous Marine Corps physical training.
    During the 80s I could rock n' roll as a prison guard at a tough maximum security joint.
    During the late 90s I had my first attack of arthritis (brought on by a kick to a body bag) and learned I had 3 fused vertebrae.
    It's all been downhill for the old dough boy ever since.
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