Obamacare or I should say Obamadoesn'tcare

Posted by Dobrien 8 years, 11 months ago to Government
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What a freaking disaster

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  • Posted by $ MichaelAarethun 8 years, 11 months ago
    Do I get one for agreeing? Average age of any nation's government style? 200 years. We're on our third version in 240. Just like Rome.
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  • Posted by $ Thoritsu 8 years, 11 months ago in reply to this comment.
    Show me an example of government reduction in powers that came about without revolution or other bloodshed, and you get the Thor-star for the week!
    I would so love government cut in half in our lifetimes, but there is no evidence of reductions in government spending, powers or increase in personal freedoms in your, mine our fathers or our grandfathers times.
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  • Posted by CircuitGuy 8 years, 11 months ago in reply to this comment.
    "It is the old decrepit leadership fighting for survival."
    100 years ago women could not vote. That must have been hard because the people making the decisions, the old decrepit leadership of its time, didn't have to answer to female voters. The old decrepit leadership gave in. That, along with all the other amazing changes I've seen by age 41, makes me thing real change can happen. Gov't can be cut in half or less in my lifetime by something that sneaks up on us, something we can hardly conceive of now but our grandchildren will see as the flow of history.
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  • Posted by CircuitGuy 8 years, 11 months ago in reply to this comment.
    "making it doomed to failure"
    Your comments are exactly how I see it. Unfortunately many middle-class people think they could never save up $100k for these expenses, but they could pay into a system that provides the $100k. When someone realizes they're the grown-up, and they can mange building the wealth to cover these expenses better than someone else, it's really powerful. That's what I dislike most about PPACA (which overall I view as a mixed bag) -- it feeds into the notion that you can turn over life-and-death matters to someone else.
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  • Posted by $ MichaelAarethun 8 years, 11 months ago in reply to this comment.
    That will come out tomorrow or the next day but it's nothing to do with any of the members but two interpretations of the gulch operating rules. Since been fixed so just waiting to see what happens next.

    Hillary on averag though is around three Plus and listed as declining. Trump as gaining . Johnson as Stagnant, Klein and the four way has been dropped by some major polling groups as statistically insignificant.
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  • Posted by Dobrien 8 years, 11 months ago in reply to this comment.
    Thanks Michael,
    I very much appreciate your historical knowledge
    I don't know why your comments are being hidden.
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  • Posted by $ MichaelAarethun 8 years, 11 months ago in reply to this comment.
    So would i but that issue was settled in 1865. Dividing is another story and available to any state. But that just means new federal buildings.
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  • Posted by term2 8 years, 11 months ago in reply to this comment.
    There is a secession movement alive there. But Obama would send in the army to stop it under some national security excuse. I would move there if it happened
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  • Posted by $ MichaelAarethun 8 years, 11 months ago in reply to this comment.
    Perils of being on the losing side in this case Civil War.

    Texas or Lone Star Republic an independent nation joins the USA with the righ tto secede or split.

    Texas secedes exercising that right Feb 2, 1861

    Texas joins the CSA March 2nd 1861

    CSA loses the war.

    All are brought back into the Union by force of arms June 19th 1865
    In between Military Governors
    Readmitted to Congress March 30 1870

    Secession rights were not restored.
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  • Posted by term2 8 years, 11 months ago in reply to this comment.
    If Texas seceded from the USA, I would move there and support it. Same with Nevada.
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  • Posted by Dobrien 8 years, 11 months ago in reply to this comment.
    Thank you for your frank reply and I'm sure we all appreciate your tip.
    Have a great holiday mia767ca!!!
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  • Posted by mia767ca 8 years, 11 months ago in reply to this comment.
    excellent question...it is a numbers game (democracy...no longer a republic where you earn the right to vote)...we are vastly outnumbered...the Fed has devalued the dollar to the point that it is no longer "if" we will collapse...only "when"...i would suggest meetup.com looking for "survivalist or prepper" groups and prepare...but, like you I will continue to speak out, trying to change one mind at a time...
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  • Posted by $ MichaelAarethun 8 years, 11 months ago in reply to this comment.
    Cliinton = A Sure thing Your going to lose.
    Trump = A gamble with better odds all the time.
    Klein and Johnson? Ever bet double zero on a roulette wheel?
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  • Posted by $ MichaelAarethun 8 years, 11 months ago in reply to this comment.
    The Gulch in the book was two things. A place to escape to one month out of the year and metaphorically a state of mind. The place itself as described would be impossible to duplicate in North America but not impossible to attain by adapting. Just as the true motor was the mind itself the Gulch is what and where you create it.
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  • Posted by $ MichaelAarethun 8 years, 11 months ago in reply to this comment.
    South of the border, down Mexico way for starters... We call it FNA for Free North America. USA priced itself out of the market in more ways than one and credibility is top of the list.
    There are currently about one million Gringos living down here from six months or so to full time.
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  • Posted by $ MichaelAarethun 8 years, 11 months ago in reply to this comment.
    Go where the choiices are. I was lucky in a sense on the Medical Disaster by retiring from the military. But as for the rest of it I chose to go where medicine is 40% of the costs in the USA and just as good or not better. I consider the Champus Tricare system to be the second payer
    and my own wallet the first payer.
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  • Posted by Dobrien 8 years, 11 months ago in reply to this comment.
    Thanks for your comment mia767ca. Question is how do we stop the erosion of freedom of choice?
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  • Posted by Dobrien 8 years, 11 months ago in reply to this comment.
    Great analogy term2, I have already seen the libitards pushing for single payer as the "natural"
    Solution. Brain washed useful idiots.
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  • Posted by mia767ca 8 years, 11 months ago
    Obamacare was designed to fail, so that the govt could justify taking health care over...
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  • Posted by $ Thoritsu 8 years, 11 months ago in reply to this comment.
    I wish I were as optimistic as you. My thought on this is that an organization (US government) will not give up power (let this succeed even just to show economic benefit) without significant bloodshed. It is the old decrepit leadership fighting for survival.
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