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  • Posted by ObjectiveAnalyst 8 years, 11 months ago
    Hello AJAshinioff,
    "Baked in the cake" comes to mind. We knew it and could see it coming.
    Unfortunately, we live in a world that would make P.T. Barnum proud. ""There's a sucker born every minute."
    Regards,
    O.A.
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    • Posted by Mamaemma 8 years, 11 months ago
      I do know there are many millions of us out here getting screwed!
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      • Posted by Ed75 8 years, 11 months ago
        The question no one wants to ask is, "At whose expense?"
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        • Posted by Mamaemma 8 years, 11 months ago
          My experience is that the patient suffers the most. As a dentist, I have seen the majority of patients lose 90% of their choices, unless they are wealthy enough to self pay, and that's getting to be fewer and fewer people as the economy tanks. I do my best to give them the best I can, and often at my own expense, which goes against my Objectivist leanings. No, it doesn't. It just points out what is most valuable to me.
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  • Posted by awebb 8 years, 11 months ago
    "Unlike private insurers, who have to set prices through negotiating with hospitals and physicians, publicly run insurance plans would not have the necessity to negotiate. Rather, a public option would be in the business of setting prices, not market equilibrium"

    I'm sure none of them see a problem with that....
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    • Posted by Mamaemma 8 years, 11 months ago
      The truth is that the "negotiation" consists of: either you agree to take the fees we set, or you will not have enough patients to keep your practice open.
      Strong arm tactics, and the truth is also that the patient nor the doctor have any power at all. The insurance company has all the power. I have no doubt the government would be even worse, but it's pretty bad already.
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      • Posted by freedomforall 8 years, 11 months ago
        My neighbor recently had a kidney stone and needed treatment. His first choice of doctor told him "I do not accept insurance. They pay too little to do so." The doctor's less experienced associate did the procedure instead. For the patient, it was like a government gun to his head. He had already paid a high fee for the insurance, and while he could have paid for the doctor's fees in cash, doing so meant that he had to pay cash for all other costs: hospital, anaesthesiologist, etc. A severe blow caused solely by government meddling that would not be likely in a free market for medical care.
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        • Posted by Mamaemma 8 years, 11 months ago
          I couldn't agree more, freedom. The cost of insurance is so high that patients can't afford medical care.
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          • Posted by freedomforall 8 years, 11 months ago
            For me any non-emergency treatment will first include the cost of a trip to Panama or Thailand or Mexico. I am not financially supporting the existing system (except for the vitamins and supplements I purchase which probably subvert the system instead.)
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      • Posted by EdGoldstein 8 years, 11 months ago
        It works both ways. We must accept the price for insurance or not get it. Of course for the moochers it is free. the need it, after all.
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        • Posted by Mamaemma 8 years, 11 months ago
          The irony is that we are paying huge premiums that should be getting us platinum insurance. In reality the deductibles are so high that what we have is major medical- remember that? But you are right. We must provide for the moochers,mane, more importantly, the looters
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  • Posted by freedomforall 8 years, 11 months ago
    Like the failure of the banksters' unethical gambling should have been, the failure this unethical gamble should be shot immediatedly and buried as soon as possible before the stench and the bacteria spreads to infect the somewhat free market.
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  • Posted by ChuckyBob 8 years, 11 months ago
    So, we did this huge government take-over of the health care system with a massive increase in regulation and it is failing. So let's add more control and regulation and that will fix it?

    Since I am a Christian who believes in my constitutional rights I have joined a health share ministry and substantially reduced my cost. This healthcare ministry runs with much less regulation. Yes, O'Bozocare is failing because of people like me who refuse to play the game.
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  • Posted by term2 8 years, 11 months ago
    Funny thing, but the "public option" will be even MORE expensive than Obamacare, which is more expensive than what WAS there before.
    But, the cost of the public option will be buried in taxation and government money printing, and we will never really figure out what it is costing.
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  • Posted by Herb7734 8 years, 11 months ago
    Which was the unspoken original intent. Damn him to hell. That's the only thing I hate about atheism. No hell. If there was, I'd volunteer as chief inflictor.
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  • Posted by jimslag 8 years, 11 months ago
    I am not in the ObamaCare system. Since I am a veteran, I chose to keep my TriCare and I opt out of getting into their system. However, since I am in Tricare, it is a true single payer option. Like the VA, the government is my health care. I pay $29 a month through my military pension and get Tricare Prime, which covers me 100% by the good old USA. I have to go to my Primary Care Manager (PCM) before I can go see anybody else and have to get a referral. That is good if your PCM is worth a darn. The only problem I see is that it is only good in the US and certain areas of Panama.
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  • Posted by wiggys 8 years, 11 months ago
    point number one is that 0 is as close to if not an idiot as I have ever noted.
    point two which is more important is that 0 does not give a damn about what is happening in the USA as a result of his total and complete mismanagement of the USA. the reason I believe has to do with his desire to abscond with as much of OUR tax dollars as is possible so he can live in the lap of luxury as his idol slick willy once out of office. I listened for a fleeting 3 or 4 minutes by chance yesterday on what ever channel with I believe a background of children who had to be 12 years of age or less. they are the only people who will l listen to him because 0 is the president and they are very impressionable. I think he is as bad a joke that has ever been perpetrated on the USA as we have ever experienced.
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