They aren't capable and the relevancy is Obama is in competition with Putin for some leadership award or another. ha haha just kidding. Why does it have to be relevant. That's the government's business not mine and they have told me that on many occasions. Above iyour paygrade - and if you object will raise your taxes and lower your paygrade.

I jest but the relevency is the part of the cycle we are in right now. Having cut the military in half slashed the payscale and taken to using private military units for everything from maintainence on the B2 and F111 while getting rid of the only decent aircraft out there. it's now time to have a crisis which calls for re-manning, ha ha ha person-ing no won't do re-soldiering with all new implements and tools of the trade thus taking care of one large batch of businesses and union employs the present Prez can go out on a note of having brought peace to the world but the next one will get blind sided and....anyway it's a cycle that includes lots of big words like inflation, devaluation and hell no we aren't going to pay what we promised to you old retired bags of future worm feed. and that's the way it goes. The relevency is nothing is close to relatively relevent to anything.

Next item .. purple dresses.

It boils down to individual choice. Remember the Three Laws of Objectivism. I use the lesser of two evils when the choices are both evil. But Law Two? Prove it to myself and most stuff about people is BS. My rule is there is no difference in evil if you support it you are one with evil.

So I asked for information and facts and sources on Mr. Trump. Myself I like None of the Above by not voting the best but realism and objectivism plays a part. I also like a Constitutional Republic and that 240 year old document.

Well nothing surfaced that was new and wasn't suspect. An answer such as posted that before isn't good enough. to serve nor answer a test of Law Two 'is it useful.'

I found if you treated Trump as the long sought after outsider it was a different view and that's not a sole opinion. Is he useful in retaining our Republic and Constitution? Yes he is. Is he evil? No he is not.

Law three demands we make our own set of values and ethics all that follows. Back to the beginning it's an individual decision as long as one honors it and lives up to it as best one can do so,.

Which brings us back to your point. Beav I guess one fo the new people holds to his line of thinking without further comment. EWG points out the fallacy of good intentions.

So what is the greater sin. I can vote None of the Above and help lose the Republic or I can 'use' Trump as a tool to derail that effort.

Odds were put this way. Your fear is a 100 percent certainty with Clilnton in office. Johnson and Klein are message candidates. Johnson holds a key amount of support but has come down to many times to the left. All to my evaluation, Trump has been savaged by this years version of dirty bimboism by the party who should never mention such topics. Kept going and kept learning. Still he is in gambling terms a lottery candidate. What iyou see is what you get but now it's not a lottery ticket it's tweo percent. That's more like draw poker. But it's not a one hundred percent certainty for death of a nation.

That's a rational way of looking at it and if it works none of the above etc. are a possibility.

so....Law Two and Law Three and pick your own winner. I vote for the Republic and the Constitution. I don't factor in subjective wishful thinking.

Best I can tell you because here in this forum yiou are always on your own. And thee is never anyone to blame or applaud but yourself.

There used to be a set of figures readily available but I can't google them anymore. On the percent of Syrian Refugees allowed in the country The groups under the most threat and danger were the non muslim groups and within that grouping Druze and Kurds. They had the lowest amoiunt of approvals for entry.

The word as used by the government is a different meaning and purpose. Government especially the military likes to have a nice clean mission accomplished atmosphere and the 'word' is passed on what to and not to say. That is falling apart somewhat this year. Even the military is standing back from their Commander In Chief. To outside the government organizations it's a matter mostly of money or advertising. For example those that fully support childrens issues think nothing of filling TV with violent cartoons and sugar laced cereal commercials. to pick on one part of the industry. Pre-Owned? Give me a break, It's as used car I do the YouGov poll every week and you can see the differences.

realclear.com is a poll of the polls and there are a few others like them. The biggest problem and they do correct for it is they often do not know who to poll and it skews the figures that way. For example using conservatives as a catch all and for that matter liberals causes the most discrepencies but that's where margin of error comes in with a margin of 3% for each or eight point spread 3 plus 2 plus 3 possible the two percent difference though has been tracked over the weeks since the conventions and the bumps occur where they should. Johnson not getting a bump from his add was two things. It's a reminder of 50 years of Republicans saying the same thing so poor choice of words and probably lack of sufficient ads in enough markets. There was no variance and a previous uptick of 12-13 in some areas went bye bye when averaged out.

The polls were at one time seriously offered as a replacement for voting but they went to far when they added focus groups.
So....for now realclear.com and a few others. The slanted ones startled me as two of them at least still have Trump in the lead but are Clinton supporters. Unless they are distancing themselves???.

In your travels did you get the idea that governments versus governments are one thing and people to people is something entirely different? With exceptions of course but in general.

The serious ones left they couldn't take the requirement for facts etc.
By the way there has been a change in the percentages in the four way no change but in the two way clinton picked up .4 for a 2.4 lead and the declining sign is no longer listed.

four way
RCP Average 8/26 - 9/11 -- -- 41.9 39.9 9.0 2.9 Clinton +2.0

two way

RCP Average 8/26 - 9/12 -- -- 45.8 43.4 Clinton +2.4

Facts, Accurate as much as possible, updated as often as possible.

As for his governor ship record he was only responsible for 5/7ths of that increase and had a Democrat legislature to contend with vetoing 700 plus bills.

But I dont find him a strong supporter of the Constitution nor a Constitutional Republic.

You really haven't figured out who the Hildebeasters are? The techniques are about half Radical Reasoning and the other half is Lykoffs manual for secular progressives "Dont See The Elephant."

Maybe they are getting leaned on at another level. Not many people openly published in military.com a question to the active military people on how they viewed the current situation and their oath of office. I did get zero answers and did provide enough info to find me should someone want to discuss the matter. But leaning on a site like this did cross my mind given the current situation - government wise.

i agree. Which is why I bothered to look up the facts and see them post it. The usual garbage came my way of course So this time I gave tit for tattle. Either he joins me in this unexplained fully situation. Or He goes or I go I really don't care which. I want to see some objective honesty in how this was handled and some freedom for all speech. I can understand being on the losing end but that's debate ability and Johnson is a nine percent message candidate. Like it or not. Besides we aren't supposed to get along with the Libtards but I supported them anyway with facts and ideas to improve their standing. Enough.of being nice to thick people. I have fled a counter complaint and asked for fair and open to the public in this forum judgement.

You mean you are the only one allowed to do so? Take a hike. Mine come straight from a reputable source. You have no sources. http://Realvote.com if you don't like them post your own., I just did a nice one for Gary J. on the NM budget and found out he was not responsible for the entire debt doubling. What did you do? And please don't look in the mirror to try to describe me. Now you may go file another complaint. But be sure you mention who attacked who first and be prepared to explain to everyone why you are 'so special.' freedomforall. Only if the agree with you. Nov 9th will you still be here in an objectivist site? Why?

No big thing conservative is a meaningless over worked and over defined word anyway. I be careful around mirrors though.