World’s Oldest Fossils Found in Greenland
I think evolutionary creation - the monumental lottery jackpot of happenstance - just got more difficult to defend.
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Tithing. To an atheist, this just looks like a forfeiture of money: at best a waste and at worst the funding of a moocher. To a Christian or Jew (I believe that Islam also supports the notion of a tithe but I'm shaky there), they see God as the ultimate giver of everything and that 1/10th has two primary purposes: expression of gratitude and funding of the needs of the religion (buildings, etc.).
Sabbath observance. To an atheist, this looks like a wasted opportunity for riches via work. To a Christian or Jew, it is a literal commandment to follow the example of God and rest on the seventh day. Some point out psychological studies which point to the need of the body for a period of R&R which coincides with a weekly schedule. Personally, I think there's benefit to having that guaranteed day off every week so I can pursue my own interests. Working seven days a week is nuts.
certain clothing. I'm going to generalize this one because Muslims aren't the only ones who have particular clothing. Priests and nuns have their particular garments, as do Mormons and Orthodox Jews. Atheists view them as a restriction on fashion. Believers view them as a symbol of devotion or covenant - a constant reminder. A religionist could just as easily point out the cult of Nike or [insert fashion diva here] as a complete waste of money, too. Now I will admit that the full hijab is the most extreme, especially when they try to use it as an excuse to prevent law enforcement or identification. While I normally defend the right to worship what one chooses (or nothing at all), rights are always a delicate balance, but I don't believe that I should have to go out of my way (or have my tax dollars used) to cater to your beliefs. If you want to insist on hiding yourself, you get to pay for the additional law enforcement needed when identity verification becomes an issue.
not using condoms. This one is mostly a Catholic thing but it's not nearly as much about the condom as it is a belief that family is central to life. This one is as much about the general morality of sexuality as anything. An atheist views sex as primarily for pleasure and only secondarily as the means of promulgating the species. A religionist places priority on family and family creation first with the pleasure as a nice side benefit. It's all about priorities.
refusing medical treatment. This one to my knowledge is almost exclusively the Jehovah's Witnesses (as far as an actual sectarian teaching), but there are cliques among many religions. This one can also include reliance on herbal remedies, acupuncture, and chiropractors. In my opinion, each has a place, but it varies with the actual malady. I know some people who swear by a monthly session with their chiropractor. I have a co-worker who is constantly burning plant oils to stave off cold/flu. Are they irrational when it works for them? And there are those who rely too much on doctors and medicine as well (commonly called hypochondriacs) and whom the doctors are more than happy to keep seeing and prescribing to. To me, this is one where I think everyone likes to focus on the extremes where a middle ground provides plenty of room for sanity and rational thought.
diet restrictions. This one is prevalent in several religions, whether it be a permanent restriction (pork for Muslims and Jews, alcohol for Mormons) or a temporary one (Lent, Ramadan). The atheist simply looks at the presence of a restriction. The religionist looks at it as a warning against certain behavior.
I agree it is fascinating.
Every life form "evolves" only within it's own species, if it hadn't...wouldn't be here now...that's what the inference was.
Yes, science is awesome...so long as it never gets comfortably established...learn and adapt baby.
Shameful and cowardly.
Discuss away.
I can more easily believe in Creation or planetary seeding before the extreme reoccurring unlikely jackpots of darwinian evolution. But I wouldn't (couldn't) deny someone else the right to think differently and welcome conversation.
Hopefully, my novel will turn out well and everyone will enjoy the possibilities I present. :) (yes, I'm constantly promoting - shameless)
Some experts believe that the structures could be all that's left of Mu, a fabled Pacific civilization rumored to have vanished beneath the waves.
http://news.nationalgeographic.com/ne...
I will discuss it with you if you like.
First of all there is no lottery. Natural processes do not require any form of consciousness, thought, or effort by outside nothingness. They happen due to the identities of that which exists. If the conditions are right, stuff happens without needing any human permission or the creative hand of a non-existent deity. Evolutionary processes need only the identities of existents to happen. What is useful, adequate, or ignorable will be kept until changed.
As for the report, it is a hypothesis that is being defended and challenged. No reason for fear by some that it might upset their lives. The Old One has enough supporters that their is no reason to despair.
As for 'balls', balls are not part of the scientific discussion other than where they are needed in the evolutionary process, though process is not right since it would imply some kind of built in direction for existence, hint, that primacy of consciousness rather than the primacy of existence.
This post wasn't created to discuss spiritualism, faith, or the supernatural. You know what they say about when you assume?
Every tiny aspect leading to muck-based evolution has very extreme odds of actually occurring randomly in nature. Do you deny that? Further, you need thousands, perhaps tens of thousands or hundreds of thousands, of equally improbable perfectly precise individual reactions to occur in sequence in nature to build on themselves (also highly improbable) to move to the next stage in the process to cultivate whatever life form is considered the foundation of life on Earth. Do deny this too?
I watch this type of information because ITS THE BASIS FOR A NOVEL I'm working on and offers a degree of validation (and opportunity to share the manuscripts existence).
Its a fools errand to think anyone knows the origin of life. Anyone who does is a delusional liar. And, perhaps balls was a poor choice of words... courage, nerve or guts would work better in this instance. Its a weak person who takes a point on a neutral topic without explaining himself.
Why bring up veiled references to your belief in creation if you do not want comment on them?
Evolution is not creationism. It is only an observation and description of how some natural processes proceed. It is not a causative thing.
What makes you believe that probabilities actually exist in nature? They are mental constructs which gives one a way toward the understanding of objective reality when without total information with large numbers of existents. Nature does not operate by odds. It operates by what is possible with the identities, as exstents, of that which exists. The fact that you clutter up your reasoning with irrelevant extreme odds which most likely have no relevance for natural processes. That is nonsense about the number of reactions that have to occur to get self reproduction. Just takes a few molecular interactions at most somewhere. All the rest of the other-where reactions are irrelevant. Starting with perhaps googolplex sized odds which when reduced from the Universe to a small new planet from an at least third generation type G star will not work. Things do not work by chance, only the loss of your money in places like Vegas works that way. So I deny your attempt to get a creator into the mix.
It is safe to say that no one knows the origin of life on Earth, and it is probably wrong to accuse individuals of lack of balls or guts or courage or etc. for not commenting on your ideas. Lack of knowledge does not require making up a stand in for the knowledge.
My two bits.
I'm sure others here would agree.
I do not doubt adaption (evolution) in humans and in all species. I do doubt that humans came from muck as a matter of remarkable fortune over a remarkably long span of time. Yes, I'd sooner believe man was placed here by God, a meteor was the catalyst for the process of mans development, another race of humans seeded this planet, or a totally alien species altered an indigenous animal on earth to facilitate its rise about animal status. All of these things are far more probable to me than happenstance by way of extraordinarily fortunate chemical interactions over X amount of time.
By the way, how can water be stagnant (in the sense that you are using the term) if it does not contain any previously existing forms of life?
a lake caused by receding waters. Glacial melt. I'm sure there are more.
Brain tired...dealing with artists and programmers. Sorry.
AGREE, 100%.
History has shown us that firmly held beliefs are defended by the mainstream and often the new discovering indivdual is shunned and ostracized or often ripped off. John Kerry says if you deny man made global warming you are unfit for public office. Oregon outlaws teachers from discussing alternatives to man made global warming in schools. Exxon is under fire for their climate studies differing results. The label is denier. The intent is to stifle discussion. With the statists global warming agenda , looting and control are the goals. In the gulch rational consideration of evidence and the implications of such should be the norm.
Have a great day.
DOB
Regards,
DOB
What does it mean.I don,t know but I believe the distances and similarities indicate some interconnections by these ancient people.
I find these kinds of things fascinating and, apparently unlike one person here, nothing threat to my belief structure.
This is from Science where the study was reported?
http://www.sciencemag.org/news/2015/1...
I do not see any reference to Darwin.
Maybe this will be closer to some of the beliefs here:
http://www.christianpost.com/news/new...
Or here in the New York Time which usually reports science OK when not about climate:
http://www.nytimes.com/2016/09/01/sci...
+ 1' s .Had some run-ins myself also . The knowledge of what happened tens of thousands of years ago in some cases is etched in stone and in other cases shrouded in mystery.
Good day to you!
DOB
No?
Are you saying that the Milky Way was produced in a nova or supernova? Only heavy elements were produced in supernovas or more recently by humans. Most of the other elements are produced in stars and if they supernova, spread the elements and produce the heavy elements to make up planets, etc.
The shuttles did not heat that much going into space so life might have been able to grow on the windows and other out of the way crannies.
You have no reason for that more likely statement. It is a 100% likely that life was on Earth fairly early and after a long long time flourished and eventually gave mankind something to argue about, which if nature had a purpose, might have been the purpose.
I do not know how many such planets might exist in the about 160,000,000,000 light year diameter universe, but there are very roughly 100 billion galaxies of over 100 billion stars with a high percentage of them with planetary systems. That is about 10^22 stars and say that there is one suitable planet per 100 billion planet systems, that would still be 100 billion suitable planets. If the conditions of temperature, water, and perhaps clay exist, and due to the fact that Avogadro's number, 6.023 x 10^23 molecules per mole of substance is so large (that is why that little 50 mg tablet can have hundreds of thousands of molecules to treat each of the billions of cells in your body) there would be an almost certain creation of self reproducing molecules and things like hydrophobic lipids to form containers for other slop. Once life starts in not so hospitable conditions, then it is like a plague hard to stop as seen by bacteria living in very hostile environments on earth, such as miles under the sea floors, high in the atmosphere, in you highly acidic stomach and chemically active intestines, and even in pockets in granite.
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Well, the chicken or the egg question is the wrong question. Should be how did life begin and evolve from simple budding to complex cell division to eventual sexual reproduction with the no need to magically produce the chicken or the egg. If the chicken exists, no problem, if the egg exists, no problem. Life does not come ready made just as you were not ready made with functioning sperm or ova. The had to be created in the sense of DNA and complex chemistry did it.
I disagree. If they exist, they would find a super intelligent creature evolving faster than its primitive side can keep up with its inventiveness. A creature that in a mere blink of the eye, galaxy time-wise has gone from a intellectual primitive to being on the verge of exploring the great mysteries. Many vicious faults, true, but also Einstein and Beethoven.
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