Trump is the GOP's Frankenstein

Posted by khalling 8 years, 6 months ago to Politics
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"I realize some of you have a more sanguine view of Trump compared to mine. And some of you have a far more sinister view of Trump.

But, whatever you think of the man, the constituency Trump represents is not deplorable. And, win or lose in 2016, they are convinced that there exists this nationalistic, protectionist, anti-immigration platform which will solve their problems."


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  • Posted by term2 8 years, 6 months ago
    The GOP and the democratic party are both ESTABLISHMENT ol-boy creations that want to remain the same. They are both dinosaurs at this point.
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  • Posted by term2 8 years, 6 months ago in reply to this comment.
    Immigrants are only a good thing if they want to melt INTO the culture they arrive in. That means speak English, adopt American values, and actually work to add to the economy. Otherwise, keep the door shut.
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  • Posted by $ blarman 8 years, 6 months ago
    If Trump were the only Halloween monster in the Republican Party, I'd be pretty happy. Most of them have been drinking the "Dr. Jekyll and Mr. Hyde" brew with as fast as they have changed their stripes from what they promised two years ago. There are a few vampires in there like John McCain, and you have the werewolf of Paul Ryan whose moon is Obamacare. The Democratic Party is full of witches like Nancy Pelosi and zombies galore (their voters).

    I'd say Halloween is a particularly appropriate holiday for this election.
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  • Posted by mminnick 8 years, 6 months ago
    I take exception to the title. Trump is not Frankenstein. The GOP is Frankenstein and Trump is their creation. By there actions and inaction they made this the year of the insurgent. The top vote getters in the primary were two party outcasts. Both created by the party.
    If the Republicans had done what they promised , neither Trump nor Cruz would have lasted past the first three primaries.. As it was the Party made sure, by it's actions, that one of them would be the nominee.
    The passage of two short weeks will tell us if the creature is a monster or a "Man".
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  • Posted by CircuitGuy 8 years, 6 months ago in reply to this comment.
    "What "dead ideas" are you referring to?"
    I was thinking of Dr. Frankenstein exhuming bodies to make a mate for the first creature. He destroys the mate in horror before he finishes it. The monster takes revenge on his creator. The real horror is the monster started out benevolent and only turned into a "monster" after polite society rejected him.
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  • Posted by 8 years, 6 months ago in reply to this comment.
    I see what you did there with "deplorable." Only 30% of Republicans who voted in primaries and caucuses wanted Trump. I know many well-meaning and successful people who are voting for Trump, who consider themselves centrist Republicans. What "dead ideas" are you referring to? cutting spending, balancing a budget, no universal healthcare disasters, repealing regulatory burdens, cutting taxes for citizens and corporations?-those "dead ideas"?
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  • Posted by CircuitGuy 8 years, 6 months ago
    The serious response...
    If they do find a kinder, gentler populist in 2020, that candidate will have to appeal to some Bernie Sanders supporters.

    Here is a glimpse of it from Bernie Sanders' article in the NYT: http://www.nytimes.com/2016/06/29/opi...
    "That increasingly globalized economy, established and maintained by the world’s economic elite, is failing people everywhere.
    Wall Street and billionaires, through their “super PACs,” are able to buy elections.
    I also visited the American citizens of Puerto Rico, where some 58 percent of the children live in poverty and only a little more than 40 percent of the adult population has a job or is seeking one.

    Let’s be clear. The global economy is not working for the majority of people in our country and the world. This is an economic model developed by the economic elite to benefit the economic elite. We need real change.

    But we do not need change based on the demagogy, bigotry and anti-immigrant sentiment that punctuated so much of the Leave campaign’s rhetoric — and is central to Donald J. Trump’s message.
    "

    To win on a populist message like this, a party needs both kinds of populists- Trump and Sanders. They could learn to get along. As they bring together these populists who agree that other people are to blame for their problems and that gov't is part of the solution, they lose people who want stability and gov't out of their lives. I don't know if those people go to the Democrats or if Democrats disappear or change into some kind of new libertarian party.

    I am not predicting thing this will happen. The pendulum could easily swing back, with populist media driving rednecks toward moderate establishment GOP candidates who at least give some lip service to reducing gov't and who are smart enough to keep this "Cultural Marxism" crap and anyone who cites neo-Nazi murderers hidden in the background.

    Thankfully, I don't see a scenario where the bad idea of thinly veiled racism gets accepted because it's packaged with the good idea of less gov't spending/intrusion.
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  • Posted by CircuitGuy 8 years, 6 months ago
    My silly response first...
    "And the Aftermath Is Predicable"
    "The GOP could come back on the same populist platform in 2020, led by a genuine working class man (or woman) with no skeletons in the cupboard, and win."
    What is the predicable aftermath? It sounds like this is saying faced with the threat of the destruction of their party, the GOP will resurrect more of the same dead ideas to create a female version (or at least a more palatable version) of Trump. They'll destroy it in horror of creating a new breed of Trumps. In their last gasp of life the Trumps of the world will commit violent crimes in frustration at the successful people of the world regarding them as deplorable.
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