Hi fivedollargold,
Do you mean to divert the inflow from the reservoir.
Is that feasible?

In California the Shasta then Oroville are the 2 largest both are close to full and a lot of snow pack. I think most of Ca. Reservoirs are topped off.

Hi Owwlsrayne,
Trump would be wise to assist the people in harms way anyway he can, and tell Moonbeam to blast off.

Thanks for the Folsom Dam story I found this you tube video the engineer stated the best thing they could do was be forth coming to the media.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dU9Bk...

I hail from St. Paul so that was a tinge of pride felt when Dagny stated the country needs Minnesota.

The state where it has taken 10 years and $30,000,000 in fees and permits for a new (?)mining co to dig for Nickle and copper.

A Nate Taggart type in St Paul forged an empire
James J. Hill, who became famously known as the "Empire Builder" for his role in further developing the Northwest through his control of the Great Northern Railway, is perhaps just as well remembered for what he did outside of the business world. Unlike many of the now-famous railroad tycoons, Hill held great interest in the communities which were located along his lines and he donated hundreds of thousands of dollars to public interests like schools and libraries. Today, the dream he always had of merging the four railroads in which he held the most interest has not only became reality but its successor is also one of the largest such companies in the country, BNSF Railway.
The "Empire Builder", whose full name was James Jerome Hill, was born in Rockwood, Ontario, Canada in 1838. He only had formal schooling for nine years, until 1852 when he was about 14. However, by that point he had already achieved several skills, particularly in math, English, and even land surveying which would serve him quite well with his future career in the railroad industry. His work in the wholesale industry is where Hill would first come to learn the finer intricacies of the transportation industry. In 1873 by the age of 35 Hill had entered the steamboat industry, which is reminiscent of the "Commodore" Cornelius Vanderbilt who likewise started out there before transitioning to railroads.

A gate on Folsom Dam about ten years ago broke and all the water went downstream. It is a small one. Now Oroville is in trouble, and what galls me is that we had several years of low waters where it would be easier to check the dams for any problems. I live downstream from an even larger dam than Oroville and more than a little anxious about it's upkeep. That dam breaks and my house is on the way to the ocean.

Gov moonbeam is like the child who wants to run away from home but asks for money first to care for themselves.

No offense taken I am always open to self improvement.:)

Maybe Pres.Trump will say to the Ca. governor you'll get help if you give up Sanctuary Cities?

Moonbeam should be ordering diversion channels to be dug upstream immediately. Commandeer every bulldozer in California if necessary.

http://www.kcra.com/article/see-how-m...

Seems like the smarter plan would be to just rapidly build a couple of service roads down the side from the parking lot, and start running rock-trucks day and night to dump rocks and material along the whole thing. But ok, try it with your helicopters 1 rock at a time or whatever.

Shouldn't the Republic of California be paying for this? Its a great opportunity to the hopeful fledgling nation to show the world that it can take care of itself and its needs.

Why are tens of millions of dollar being spent on illegals and this dam site (and its grounds) are not being maintained?

Why doesn't hollyweird step-up pay for this, maybe have a telethon?

Thanks for that history.

I hope I didn't offend you. This is the most common error I see everywhere. In general, I think that errors should be corrected, or at least pointed out, so that people can learn. I do understand, though, that autocorrect, etc. are sometimes the culprits.

Interesting problem, virtually none of those areas are required to carry flood insurance on their homes (because of the dam protection).

Moonbeam already asked Trump for a disaster declaration... I'm sure the Donald is kind of sitting on that one for a while. The request was actually last week for "storm cleanup" - If I were Trump, realistically, the people of California should buy their own chainsaw gas.

At this point, the state is so broke with so many promises to the unions and welfare state on the backs of only about 40-50% that actually work - that we have nothing in the piggy bank.

As long as people are out of the way, I think a lot of conservatives and common-sense minded individuals are kind of hoping there is at least a minor crumbling, to start to show some sunlight on the incompetence and corruption of California government. We passed a $60 billion water bond, and not a penny has been spent on surface storage or maintenance. It's all being pissed away on some ridiculous scheme to build tunnels under the Sacramento Delta to "bypass" the brackish water of the delta and pump fresh water from Sacramento to Los Angeles under the ocean/bay Delta lands. Yeah. They really want to try something that silly. The $60 billion the taxpayers are coughing up are to lower LA water bills or something instead of just halting development in the desert and building where the water is.

Well... forecasts are substantially more reliable than the finger-in-the-air stuff when we were kids. We see the storms approaching on satellite, and while a shift in the jet stream or air pressure something can change their direction, and that might be common when talking about hurricanes, for storms in the Pacific coming on shore, they are pretty easy to predict.

Six-minute video showing construction and opening of the dam:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=p_5ud...
Gov. Reagan dedicated the dam in 1968, but planning and construction began under his Democratic predecessor, Pat Brown.

Are there any federal guarantees in place if the dam fails, aside from the usual disaster relief? I hope the rest of us are not on the hook to bail out (literally) California’s problem.

There were a lot of theories in the floods of the 1990s in Sacramento. The city was faced with the likely flooding of downtown and a lot of high-dollar real estate areas. The residents of North Sacramento, a poorer area, heard a loud boom before the flash-flood of their neighborhood.

There has always been the suspicion that the Army Corps of Engineers blew the levee intentionally adjacent to North Sac to flood the poor & immigrant neighborhoods instead of the affluent (which were the ones really at risk with very bad levees in those areas).

Hopefully the rain forecast this week is wrong.
It appears as if the rivers are near flood stage already.

Your highway theory makes sense.

The lack of trust in a govt. that lies to our faces again and again .The deceptive games they play with the people. This distrust has already given birth to stories of an explosion purposely set off.
I don't believe it , but when you lose credibility you are subject to speculation.

My wife is actually a hydrologic engineer. We've been having some pretty funny conversations around the house. No, there is no way to stop the inflows. The rock bags are just stupid, but its probably the only thing they can do for the TV cameras.

It's indicative of the current state of California politics. It's about to be a felony to buy ammo without an annual permit and background check for it, but many sex crimes, drug peddling, etc., has effectively been de-criminalized. They want a stupid high & incompetent populace to tax into oblivion, not a self-reliant and resisting one.

Thank you scojohnson ,
Of course it not their fault (the leftist dems from dreamland) they are victims always.

I saw the rock bags and had to laugh.

The integrity of the facility is going to have serious challenges ahead as you stated so well.

"Lake Oroville is about 25 square miles, and we're looking at 30 feet +/- of water depth blowing out (at once), plus the continued flow of water afterward, plus the storm event this weekend, plus the snow pack melting in a month or so, and at least 4 or 5 more storms before and after that. Size-wise, it's 1700 feet long and about 30-50 feet high. By itself, it holds a heck of a lot of water back." .......hence my post of this story.

Govt people always have someone ELSE to blame. They are always too little, too late on things like this. Now, it might just fail and we are done with it !! Living downstream of a dam is not a great idea in any case.

I am not an engineer but I don't think they can control the inflow. A narrative that I heard was that concerns about the past drought as well as NOAA predicting a continued drought caused the dam controllers to think a higher water level was favorable. A high percentage of California's reservoirs are currently near capacity.