Will space exploration usher about the end of freedom?

Posted by $ AJAshinoff 8 years, 8 months ago to Technology
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I spent a lot of time thinking about this recently; writing new material, reading books and binge watching TV shows.

If space exploration and planetary settlement is spearheaded by private industry (and partially paid for my Earth governments) there will employment contracts and confidentiality agreements, not a Constitution, dictating how those venturing off world life. Space and other worlds (moons and asteroids) would be equal to international waters, lawless places where might makes right and what happened is what whoever with that might say happened. Law will be what a corporation determines it to be. Tyrannical rule akin to saddam hussein could/would flourish as the food, water, communication and even the very air a person breathes is tightly regulated and can be withheld (under voluntary agreement of course) at the discretion of the company.

I contend that freedom in any meaningful capacity would be dead. The idea of Objectivism may be present in space but the practice, like freedom, like the individual and free will, would essentially be dead.


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  • Posted by $ 8 years, 8 months ago in reply to this comment.
    entirely the point. You will totally be at the mercy of the company whose contract you signed. You can't escape. You can't walk off work. You can't flee and fend for yourself in the wilderness.

    I was in the Navy. I get what you mean. But at least on earth you have options, even if they are shitty ones.
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  • Posted by $ 8 years, 8 months ago in reply to this comment.
    air, water, food - none of these things are present unless you bring them OR the devices to extract them (water that is). In space you have zero option to run and survive on your own. Simple.
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  • Posted by bassboat 8 years, 8 months ago
    So what is the difference between space travel and early explorers crossing the Atlantic? It matters little if the Capitan decides to hang you if you can breathe at that moment or not in space, you are dead. It is innate for man to explore, not just new frontiers but simple things like making tires better for cars. This is a subject that for me has too much worry in it about nothing.
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  • Posted by Owlsrayne 8 years, 8 months ago
    I believe corporate colonization of space may look more like the SciFi series The Expanse based on the books by James A Corey(Daniel Abraham & Ty Frank). That my take on what could eventually happen.
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  • Posted by $ 8 years, 8 months ago in reply to this comment.
    Currently reading Planet Strappers. The tone, dialog and verbiage is soooooo dated. It feels like a cross between Archie comics, the Bowery Boys and Mr. Wizard. :)
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  • Posted by $ Olduglycarl 8 years, 8 months ago in reply to this comment.
    I suggest the Saudi's are not human in the same sense 40-50% of the world is. I consider them: Pagan Humanoids...just a brain in a body...much like the singularity Herb refers to...the singularity nor the middle east will be consciously human anytime soon.
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  • Posted by jimjamesjames 8 years, 8 months ago in reply to this comment.
    "Why would you get involved in a place where you would be at the mercy of a capricious business?"

    Great question.

    Mine is: Why would be get involved in a scheme where you can never go out and lay on a new mown lawn; never have a BBQ, never fish a small stream in the mountains; never sit on a terrace and watch the sunset over the mountains; never spend a day shooting guns off your back deck; never go cowboy dancing in the local saloon?

    For those that would give up those small pleasures, I hope you enjoy it, but leave me out of it.
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  • Posted by $ 8 years, 8 months ago in reply to this comment.
    Ever hear of frontiersmen? Mountain men? Homesteaders? Jamestown?

    No one knows what happened in Roanoke to make them disappear, its a mystery. Stephen King, Storm of the Century?

    Air was never concern for anyone. And easy or not, you could breathe, you could forage, you could hunt.
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  • Posted by Madanthonywayne 8 years, 8 months ago in reply to this comment.
    Pfft. You think the pioneers could safely just "walk away"? Look what happened at Roanoke. Survival wasn't easy in "the new world", just as it won't be easy on literal new worlds. But humans will still be humans, they will find a way.
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  • Posted by Herb7734 8 years, 8 months ago in reply to this comment.
    All this may not be relevant once the computer singularity occurs. Looks to me it will be much sooner than even the most avid futurists predict.
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  • Posted by $ 8 years, 8 months ago in reply to this comment.
    Different environment entirely. On Earth you can walk away, go somewhere else, live off the land, if need be. What would your option be on Mars?The Moon? An asteroid? A space station? Entirely different circumstance when something as basic as breathable air is involved.
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  • Posted by Madanthonywayne 8 years, 8 months ago
    I completely disagree. It might start out as you describe, but so did America. Many of the first colonies were founded by corporations, but as they grew they demanded more of a role in their own government and, eventually, independence.

    Read "The Moon is a Harsh Mistress" for a story with this theme.
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  • Posted by $ 8 years, 8 months ago in reply to this comment.
    A republic form of governance would work, each planet being its own sovereign state and a galactic set of laws coming from a a galactic council or leader. But even in that scenario force would be the factor that keeps everyone, each "state" in the republic and productive.

    I'll keep an eye out for your novel :)
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  • Posted by DrZarkov99 8 years, 8 months ago
    I'm in the process of writing a science fiction novel, which for now I call "Kaleidoscope." I suspect that a future space society will be too big for any one entity to control, and will be multifaceted, with some organizations more like drug cartels or the Mafia. Some will be more socialist, and some will be like the wild west. The technology in each location will vary. For details, watch this space for when I publish.
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  • Posted by $ Olduglycarl 8 years, 8 months ago in reply to this comment.
    That's what evil is at its base. There are natural and quantum limit to" do whatever one wishes" with no conscience or accountability. It all comes back but others suffer in the mean time. This is exactly what progressives and evil does.
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  • Posted by ewv 8 years, 8 months ago in reply to this comment.
    Without property rights there can be no freedom of speech to voice your opinions.

    When food depended on growing and storing it through the seasons, that required long term planning. Today you can decide on the spur of the moment to go to the grocery store, which in turn requires long term rational thought for a society of rational individualism and increased knowledge that makes grocery stores possible. A more technical society requires rational thought on a larger scale, anticipating and planning for future needs, not "woe is us, the Borg is inevitable". That includes taking into account and planning for emergencies, which does not mean a "primal state of existence". If someone takes being provided for for granted and leaves himself in a state where 30 seconds is long term planning it is his own default on his own life.
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  • Posted by $ blarman 8 years, 8 months ago in reply to this comment.
    "Civilized human life requires long term rational thought and planning..."

    Actually, there's plenty of life that exists without rational thought and planning. Take progressives for instance. ;)

    Seriously, though, life doesn't require long-term thought and planning. It is better with such, of course, but it is hardly a requirement. "Long-term" is a nebulous argument as well. If one is running out of air, thirty seconds is long-term planning! That's the reality of Maslow's Hierarchy - it accurately breaks down what can be rationally considered within a given time frame. Those who have their immediate needs met may begin to deal with issues of a less and less immediate nature.

    The whole point of AJ's post is that we aren't used to having to deal with such a primal state of existence - one where the basics of life can never be taken for granted to allow us to deal with the "long-term". Property rights are important, but its pretty difficult to argue such without the air to voice one's opinions.
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  • Posted by ewv 8 years, 8 months ago in reply to this comment.
    "Bargaining time" is irrelevant to the principle. Acting on principle in accordance with property rights requires thinking in advance in all aspects of human life, not range of the moment in 2 minute bursts. Don't make contracts that are self destructive. Civilized human life requires long term rational thought and planning, not restrictions to range of the moment "Maslow needs".

    No one can live on earth without land, whether he owns his own plot, leases it in contractual arrangements, or visits others in mutual trade. Land is in moral principle no different than the air and water we require to survive. We are not ghosts; we live and act in a material world. The air in the atmosphere is not owned because it is for practical purposes unlimited, with no need for private ownership. Collectivists, and others who don't understand the need and purpose of property rights, also argue that owning land is "absurd".
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  • Posted by $ 8 years, 8 months ago in reply to this comment.
    At least 100 feet below the sea you have a slim chance of getting out. I do think corporate space exploration is destined to be pretty similar to that portrayed in The Expanse.
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  • Posted by $ 8 years, 8 months ago in reply to this comment.
    Its a very relevant question considering the push to Mars that's ramping up. the colonization of the moon and even asteroid mining. No doubt some people here (and I do know who) feel threatened by thinking this way, even in speculation. I had given you a point. I have no doubt who took it.
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