Main toxic effects of Glyphosate. Dr Stephanie Seneff (MIT) senior research scientist, CSAIL

Posted by $ Olduglycarl 8 years, 5 months ago to Science
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Now this is what I call: Responsible Science...we need More of it in this world.

WOW! we've heard by many responsible sources that this stuff is Bad News but now we hear about Why it's Bad News.

Lots of other interesting info. for ex...did you know that it's harmful to wear sunglasses all the time?...turns out, your eyes and penal gland need sunlight.


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  • Posted by $ 8 years, 5 months ago in reply to this comment.
    When observed in reality, Your premise is found wanting. I Wish I could be as positive as you but I just plain don't observe the results of your premise in the present.
    I work at a Hospice Hospital, (building engineer) and I've seen whom and what comes in on a daily basis, it's horrific. Babies, children, young adults together with those 40,50, 60 and end of life 80/90+ (the minority in the Hospice population).
    I have observed the older folk, 90+ were obviously in better health most of their lives but now days, the young and younger out number them in the new sickness careless world.
    Funny, those 70/80/90's make up most of our volunteers...(one can learn a lot from these folk)

    Also, our school system here in Connecticut houses a 3 out of 10 student population with serious problems and I have reduced that percentage knowing the medical lamestreams penchant for making any energetic child into a ritalin riddled autistic.
    Back in the fifties, in a student population of 1200 there was one special needs student.
    Big change in 60 plus years.

    Maybe people and children, where you live are in better health but things have changed since the 50's.
    Yes, prior to efficient and inexpensive agriculture and local grown food...around the 20's I'm guessing...malnutrition was a problem but was pretty much wiped out by the late 40's but sometime in the late 60's that trend seemed to change, I witnessed that change but now days...it's in your face.
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  • Posted by Esceptico 8 years, 5 months ago in reply to this comment.
    You ask: “ you have any other answers as to why our population is so much sicker, children with devastating diseases, cancer and such...please share your findings.” Check your premises, our population is not sicker, children (and others) have fewer diseases...” What you cite is the typical Natural News hype. It is wrong. Average life span, for example, in 1900 was barely 50. Now, 100 years later, it is 75. I could go on, but I think my point is made and I sincerely do not believe I will change your mind.
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  • Posted by $ 8 years, 5 months ago in reply to this comment.
    Unfortunately, to capture the attention of the culture, one must put a spin on it. It's a shame, but it's the world we live in. Having a product that may or does help...great!...make a profit? great!

    However, this particular article/video was posted by Ben at suspicious 0bservers, well respected in his community and with many incredible scientist in various fields. And WAIT! there's more: recently invited to speak at a conference held by many awakened government officials, the likes of which never seen nor heard in lamestream, in wait, wait for it...Washington DC! The proverbial belly of the beast!!!
    Note, by the way, his job at one point was the vetting of scientific subjects, especially, fertilizers, GMO's, food and medicine. He's not exactly a novice and neither is this scientific researcher.

    Yes, this scientist reports on what is actually seen in the cells and DNA of the body, some of which she did herself...and...yes, also basic chemical causation's germane to the subject.

    I've seen the one's you mention, plus 1000's of others and this one stands out above the rest, stands with the best of the best and, hopefully, to your pleasure, does not rely upon emotion.
    That's why I posted it.

    So, if you have any other answers as to why our population is so much sicker, children with devastating diseases, cancer and such...please share your findings.

    ...and I will check out Dr. Novella, I unlike many others, am not closed minded, nor closed brained on this unsettled subject.
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  • Posted by Esceptico 8 years, 5 months ago in reply to this comment.
    Correlation may, sometimes, lead to causation. But it is nothing more than a lead in the investigative process. I note the apparent source of most of this stuff in the thread is from Natural News.

    Over the years acquaintances have referred me to articles in “Natural News” and told me it had lifesaving information, vaccines were pushed by “Big Pharma” and do not really protect people, and other (what I consider to be) outlandish claims.

    The articles I read were usually well-written from a grammatical point of view, but loaded with emotional bias and what I consider to be pseudoscience and fraught with logical fallacies. The most common (there are others) fallacy I encountered reading Natural News articles was the post hoc fallacy.

    Post hoc ergo propter hoc literally means “after this, therefore because of this.” Restated, this logical fallacy states “Since event Y followed event X, event Y must have been caused by event X.”

    An example I used give in lectures was a member of the audience standing on the courthouse steps waving his arms and chanting words not discernible in any language. I asked what he was doing, and he said keeping the elephants out. I said there are no elephants in North America. His reply was: “See, it works.”

    Another example is a man brushed his teeth and died within the hour. Therefore you face the risk of death every time you brush your teeth. Better stop brushing your teeth, right?

    The post hoc is a particularly tempting error because temporal sequence appears to suggest causality. The fallacy lies in basing a conclusion solely on the sequential order of events, rather than taking into account other factors potentially responsible for the result that might rule out the connection. My experience is the advocates of “alternative medicine” and people who label themselves a “spiritual” seem to be very susceptible to this error.

    The Natural News website I saw appeared to me to be for the sale of various dietary supplements, promotion of alternative medicine, controversial (I’m being polite) nutrition and health claims, scientific fake news, and various conspiracy theories (especially about “Big Pharma”).

    There were unbelievable claims regarding chemicals, fluoride and chlorine in water, antiperspirants, laundry detergent, monosodium glutamate, aspartame, “toxic” ingredients in vaccines, including the now-longtime-discredited link to autism and Adams (the big cheese at the place) has described vaccines as “medical child abuse.”

    One article had a conspiracy theory about the Zika virus being spread by genetically modified mosquitoes. The site rants about adverse effects of genetically modified crops (GMO), apparently without understanding ALL food has been genetically modified since humans began to cultivate farms about 10,000 years ago. I am amazed it has such a large following, but I shouldn’t be, look how many people love socialism.

    Steven Novella, a neurologist, of NeuroLogica Blog called Natural News “a crank alt med site that promotes every sort of medical nonsense imaginable.” I respect and trust Dr. Novella and loved his course at the Great Courses on thinking. Novella continued: “If it is unscientific, antiscientific, conspiracy-mongering, or downright silly, Mike Adams appears to be all for it – whatever sells the ‘natural’ products he hawks on his site.”
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  • Posted by Abaco 8 years, 5 months ago in reply to this comment.
    Pretty often, there's correlation with causation.

    Just provoking some more thought...
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  • Posted by $ 8 years, 5 months ago in reply to this comment.
    Correct! Unless you kill someone, government should mind it's own P's and Q's...of course, that's assuming they have a mind in the first place.
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  • Posted by $ 8 years, 5 months ago in reply to this comment.
    Those creatures ( boston children's hospital) did something similar to one of our people here in connecticut.
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  • Posted by Esceptico 8 years, 5 months ago in reply to this comment.
    Government should not be telling me what to eat or otherwise put in my body. Besides, Europe is not any brighter than California. One need only look at the actions of Germany, Greece, et al. However, given the evidence abundantly available on the subject, cognitive dissonance and backfire, I doubt anything said here would convince you the whole GMO issue is as valid as the Trump-Russia issue.
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  • Posted by Esceptico 8 years, 5 months ago in reply to this comment.
    What California declares is not worth the time to read. With good luck, it will leave the union and die the death of Puerto Rico and Venezuela,
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  • Posted by $ 8 years, 5 months ago in reply to this comment.
    Yep, heard that story and belief and I can see why they thought this but I think, according to my research into the "Mind" and quantum physics, it makes more sense that the "Mind" is the, "I" which can view the brains activity and the body; also having a connection to the quantum world of entanglements...we'll have to see how the mathematicians work this out...so-long as they are not using common core math.
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  • Posted by $ 8 years, 5 months ago in reply to this comment.
    That's the lefts narrative now, however, the delete ruleless left supports making you sick...they profit from it. The problem with GMO's is that it was assumed from the beginning that it would be safe...it cascaded from that point.

    Does mankind make mistakes based upon understanding of the times...you bet your bootie, but when the governmental parasitical idiots get involved...and adaptation to new knowledge is forbidden.

    We have got to get across to society is we need to be highly integrated and maybe, we might avoid some of these self caused problems in the first place. We also need to pay a mind to time tested procedures, practices and need I say: the cycles of nature as well.
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  • Posted by Dobrien 8 years, 5 months ago in reply to this comment.
    PINEAL gland and the Sri Yantra: est 10000bc

    Staring at the central dot or ‘bindu’ of the Sri Yantra is Ment to create changes within the brain and the stimulation of the Pineal gland by focussing our attention on the ‘3rd eye’ area. The Pineal gland is a small endocrine gland in the brain. It produces melatonin, a serotonin derived hormone, which affects the modulation of sleep patterns in both seasonal and circadian rhythms. Its shape resembles a tiny pine cone (hence its name), and it is located in the epithalamus, near the center of the brain, between the two hemispheres, tucked in a groove where the two halves of the thalamus join. René Descartes believed the pineal gland to be the “principal seat of the soul” and viewed it as the third eye.
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  • Posted by $ 8 years, 5 months ago in reply to this comment.
    So why not start with the lowest common denominator...good, clean food with no need for modifications.
    What's interesting is that the chemical industry has created the same effect as the drug addict companies...take this, knowing later on you'll have to take something else for what the first thing created.
    Before fertilizers, there was no need for pestisides and on and on...see:https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zpIN-...

    Key take away: it's not nice nor prudent, to fool mother nature. (fooling her is not controlling nature...it's creating another problem)
    As far as farming goes, just replace the minerals the plants used up and you won't need poisons at all.
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  • Posted by $ 8 years, 5 months ago in reply to this comment.
    Penile...yep, I have been momentarily fooled by the stupidity of spell check...made an ass out of me.
    Not the first time...laughing
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  • Posted by Dobrien 8 years, 5 months ago in reply to this comment.
    pineal gland is a pea-sized gland in the exact geometric center of the brain and comes from the root word “pinea” which is Latin for “pinecone”. Pinecone symbolism appears all over the ancient world from the Sumerian, Greek, and Roman traditions, to the Vatican’s “Court of the Pine Cone” and staff of the Pope.
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  • Posted by dwlievert 8 years, 5 months ago
    In light of what now passes for "science," I have come to consider that one day we will be led to believe, virtually all of man's discoveries and subsequent knowledge that has enabled him to extricate himself from the mud toward the stars, will be "proven" to be destructive to him. He will then be told that his only recourse shall be to return to the mud.
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  • Posted by Dobrien 8 years, 5 months ago in reply to this comment.
    I was thinking the same.(spelling)
    In many ancient cultures all around the world it was an important symbol represented by the pine cone.
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  • Posted by Ben_C 8 years, 5 months ago
    Everything on the planet is toxic. Breath pure oxygen for an extended time and see what happens. Drink too much water and see what happens etc etc. Life is a balance act. Bad idea to drink Round Up out of the bottle. One has to weight the benefits vs the risks. That's life. For me I worry more about things without ingredient labels. What are automobile tires made of and what are the effects of tire dust? When I worked in NYC the plethora of Yellow Cabs with bald tires caused me to think about this paradigm. I can look up the toxicology of many product ingredients but there are many more that are unavailable (proprietary secrets I am told). BUT, companion animals are living longer as well as people and we will all die of cancer if we live long enough. So, minimizing risks when we improve our quality of life seems important but zero risk is only for the deceased.
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