This will bankrupt us and that is the plan. We all feel the same way.

Senate H.R. Bill 3590, Pages 273-274. http://libertyandpride.com/muslims-exemp...

I've head this before...I think its a myth...Link please?

"The most terrifying words in the English language are: I'm from the government and I'm here to help." - Ronald Reagan

Kids being taken away b/c of guns or spanking on a regular basis because of evidence collected by the a health program that would not certainly have been collected by other policing agencies would count. If home visits connected to PPACA play any significant role in policing, even for bona fide crimes, I will be completely wrong.

Would families being torn apart because the parents have some innocent quirk, such as owning guns or (God forbid) disciplining their children with a spanking, which the government considers an unhealthy behavior be considered proof enough or must it be more drastic than that. Remember, Nazism had its apologists who saw nothing wrong. Until it was too late.

Sadly, some must first have the rope tightening around their throats before they realize that they helped fashion the noose.

Remember, you're saying a healthcare program will turn into an oppressive police agency. That's means in more than one or two freak cases, you expect to see healthcare workers collecting evidence that gets people jailed or denied vital healthcare. Simply bothering people during dinner doesn't count. Helping elderly people can't figure out the paperwork or get mobility assistance devices ordered does not count. I need to see people jailed or denied critical care, and more than one or two weird cases. If that happens, I'll be proven a fool, like those people who said Patriot Act provisions would _never_ be used on anyone but "terrorists". But if all they ever do is help people get signed up for benefits, even "benefits" that you think aren't that beneficial to the recipients, you guys will be fools, like those who think jet contrails are used by the gov't as mind control. Time will tell!

Well the practical application of laws such as these are exactly why I wrote my books. The offer is open.. I'm not nuts...In fact I'm a quite rational conservative American veteran.

I'll fashion you a bib. It will have a very large O on it with handcuffs.

With or without the feathers? Raw, fried, in a soup, or roasted? I'm no chef but I can do that much.

"if you don't want to see it for what it is then you won't"
I would say the same to you. I think you and AJAshinoff are nuts about this one issue. If the healthcare overhaul turns into a backdoor police agency, I'll totally eat crow.

touché :)

The hOrrorizon.

Honestly, this reality is more frightening that anything I can imagine - its is just over the hOrizon.

This much like in Canada where Dr.s have the final say over if you get medical help or not, family isn't part of the decision. I have an aunt out in B.C who always says "she hopes they'll give her the care she needs" whenever we talk, she's always afraid to make 'waves' for the fear they'll hold any type of medical care from her. They are under Government control and they don't even know it.

Your not alone, I feel the same way, not much solace I realize but, I would do anything to repeal the last 5 years!

I’m crying. I went to pick up food at my favorite restaurant and I got into it with a couple of democrats about Ted Cruz on the floor.

I know it was all for show. I know it’s ridiculous that the GOP sends me an e-mail asking for money to support Cruz when the Powers -To-Be have written him off as an upstart incapable of being the GOP front runner, however, I am only concerned with this from my POV. This is the first time in my fifty-one years of history that any program has become law that required me to buy something or otherwise apply for government help.

I can’t do this. I’m too independent. I have gone years not owning anything, but not owing anyone. I make my choices some of them have been downright awful, but I never expected the government to have the right to come into my personal life and make choices for me. Please, please...I’m begging you stop this bill. This feels like the death of America to me.

Yeah it's a legitimate thing to ask for, if their going to be providing the health care at least their investigating the subscribers to make sure their either getting what they payed for or their not cheating the system. Problem is that your forced to subscribe. Sorry I'm a healthy 23 year old male, I don't want health insurance. If I do I'll sign up for it and I'll decide if I want to go to a provider who shows up to investigate my claims. If they state it in the contract I'll sign it. I didn't sign up for this.

Yep. and I sure hope you're writing at a mad pace.

Spot on.

Wait for the penalties of disobedience or, god forbid, falsifying information in order to keep some degree of privacy. This is Fallacies of Vision implemented.

Spot on.

Then when you lie to keep your privacy and they find out its criminal - you just committed a federal offense..

EXACTLY,

Not to plug my books BUT that's what they are both about. Existing technology and desire allow them (the government) to step in and ensure you do as they say.

If you'd like a copy of Fallacies of Vision just let me know OR you're welcome to buy it from Amazon (.99). http://www.amazon.com/Fallacies-Vision-S...

How about 'nunya'?

I'm not arguing that it's different...I'm saying it will only get worse now that their foot is in the door... a LOT worse... but if you don't want to see it for what it is then you won't... until the foot comes through YOUR door. "You can avoid reality, but you cannot avoid the consequences of avoiding reality." AR "The truth is not for all men, but only for those who seek it."