Selfish vs. Self-Centered
Posted by jmlesniewski 12 years, 8 months ago to Philosophy
I've been thinking a lot about these two concepts over the last two ones and am thinking of writing something about it. What are your thoughts on it?
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Lots of good thought here. The word selfish certainly has picked up some undeserved baggage. I posit it is based on enlightened self-interest, which to my mind is one of the most honest motivations. I find it very difficult to explain to someone who hasn't read Rand.
I look out for myself front and foremost.
I will not intentionally harm another
If I do I just insure it was not with malice.
I help others who deserve my admiration and who live by my standards.
1) Self centered
2) Other centered
3) What else is there upon which to center your life? I suppose one can concieve of an unbalanced person with no center whatsoever who "blows with the wind"..... is that what you have in mind here?
In logic we call (any statement of fact that is unsupported by data) a gratuitious assertion.
My intention was not to offend, and the fact that you have evidently taken offense at me pointing out your logical error is quite telling.
Thatis classic circular reasoning. Your gratuitous assertion (that every word has a different meaning than every other word) can be gratuitously denied.
There are many many words with the same meanings as others - we call them synonyms.
One would have to give away all of one's food and possessions to "the poor" or "the church" to even get started.... and one would need to ensure that everyone on earth had enough to eat before ever having a bite of food.
I feel like we're debating an is-ought. If you start with a premise of human life has value you can go from "is" to "ought" in 1 second. Now we're discussing ethics. Is that your interest? If your interest is linguistics, then I'll disagree on your definition of self centered. Webster's first definition starts with "concerned solely or chiefly with one's own welfare, interests." it ends with egotistical. second definition is "independent, self-sufficient." third, "centered in oneself" I referred to this definition earlier. finally, "fixed,unchanging." If you want to change the definition to include not in one's rational self interest, ie. what people commonly consider "selfish" are you any better than cultures that have changed the definition of o altruistic or selfless to be synonymous with "good"?
About the same time I first read Fountainhead, I was taking a critical theory . I was struck that I was being taught to value the critic the same or higher than the producer, because that was really the point. Toohey, anyone?
Anyone who is truly selfish is. by definition, self centered. Why in the world would anyone center themselves on anyone else??? Is it even possible?
The word "go" is not prescriptive. You made it that way by putting it into a sentence.
I assumed we were working in a philosophical context. You are presuming "need" for both. I am asking you to question that. I don't know the origins of self-centered. but I'll bet you some monopoly money it's been used in speech fewer years than selfish has. why is that? We don't need the word ebonics, for example. :)
self absorbed is more descriptive than self-centered.
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