CG, maybe you do not ever meet them, but yes, there is a huge number of self important, entitled, self centered people who have been programmed to use a litany of "excuses" to get, say, or do, whatever they want. The most common tool is the accusatory "You're a ( fill in you label here)"

The most extreme end f this is their cannibalistic feeding frenzy all blame games devolve into:

https://www.insidehighered.com/news/2...

http://dailycaller.com/2017/10/05/uc-...

If you can still not identify the flakes in your world, you may need some therapy, as you may be compromised. Or you have never had to work with, near, around or for one of the creatures.

For the military, go study your history, look to 1938-41, US Involvement in International affairs, the America First group, and what happened December 7, 1941. Then extrapolate how bad we did for the first year or so, and how incompetent the tiny military we did have performed, and transfer the data to today, and see how secure you would be with a billion armed Chinese coming to visit.

Isn't that true for Enterprise too? People say Enterprise was based on the Akira-class, which appeared in TNG and DS9.

Didn't they use the Dutch angle on the Batman series from the 1960's whenever they when into a villains lair? To literally show that the villains were so crooked that even their hideouts were tilted and each villain had their own angle depending how crooked they were from upstanding.

They also used it in TOS during the episode 'Wink of an Eye' to differentiate between normal time and accelerated time.

Steve, if you can see that trailer, and still say "canon" you must be talking about an 18, or 24 pounder, since it is not the "according to" meaning. Riftsrunner is right, there is so much askew, it is clearly JJverse in space. The ship designs, bridge, technical details, engines, all scream "JJ". They just had to make sure they did NOT reflect the shapes of JJ verse, due to legal separation agreements, but it has nothing to do with pre-TOS Trek. They cannot do it in the actual "Kelvin timeline" for the simple reason it would interfere with the separation of church and state. CBS cannot use their designs or ships, so they had to come up with their own unique look. Yuck.

"we need our large military."
Most people think the world is different now. This is related to, but not at all the same as, people saying parts of the Bill of Rights as literally written does not apply to the modern world.

I think you said people wanting to control one another is why we need a large standing army. I think Madison said this was a reason we need not have a large standing army.

I have only a vague understanding of the meaning of you're saying about snowflakes, diaper kids(???), and so on. It seems like you're saying the world's problems are related to character flaws. I tend to think people have the same flaws, and there were snowflakes, jerks, fantasy-prone people, officious people, and all of that since behaviorally modern humans appeared. .

Why???? This is taken everything we know about prime timeline and throws it into a shredder. I guess, I heard it was Kelvin at one point and missed everything else. My problem is the uniforms and ship designs are too close to Star Trek:Beyond. We are talking over a century difference in ship design being similar, yet 10 years later we get a bridge like TOS Enterprise? I would assume the bridge of the Shenzou would be closer to to TOS Kirk's Enterprise design than ST:B Kirk's design on the Franklin. I guess CBS just shat on trying to be canonical for trying to seduce the movie fans. Something like 'You liked the look of the movies, well our new show looks just like it'

The writers can claim all they want, but that ship did not exist in the TOS universe, and it is one reason a lot of fans said "nope", as the geek part of Trek is the whole idea behind the history and design of the warp nacelles, and the ship structure. All that went out the airlock on STD.

That seemed to have been what they copied from the remake BSG, which did a lot of that. Note that there is little originality in ANYTHING Hollywood produces anymore. It it either a purely political statement, or a remake to supposedly guarantee a hit (which only seems about 30% effective), yet they refuse to work on known great material. The Moon is a Harsh Mistress would even give them something to preach with, if they just tried, probably without screwing it up too bad.

Never going to happen Prof, CBS is keeping it on All Access only, and no word if they will do DVD's either, but I do not see them missing out on that money. Of course they are always wheeling and dealing, so it could change.

I just saw that Amazon has produced Phillip K Dicks " Do Androids Dream of Electric Sheep?" as a show, I have to look into it, hopefully they did not stray to far. I am still hoping someone will do The Moon is a Harsh Mistress justice, before I leave this realm.

I'm with you, Orville is the closest thing to old Trek, and hopefully will not be cancelled.

The writers claim Discovery does not take place in the Kelvin Universe.

I wish it would turn out that Discovery takes place at a point where the Mirror Universe becomes evil. In this case, we could see the universe not pure evil but laying the groundwork for the world where Mirror Spock gives up and says one person cannot summon the future.

That can't happen, though, because they've already shown the mirror universe was cartoonishly evil in the time of Captain Archer.

Thank you, Mccannon01, my thoughts were righ along with there, and that was one reason I brought this in, and the Discovery fans in some other places are absolutely rude and horrible about anything negative, and refuse to even entertain the idea someone is playing with them to solve Americas issues and evils, one episode at a time. Even as that, is is a really miserable way to try to do that, as it removes all artistic and story originality, in favor of skewing everything to support their pet social ills. But, I cannot accept it as Star Trek, and CBS is making sure no one else is going to ever make any of the "real Star Trek" (fan films).

I just hope Orville does not get cancelled, the ratings are dropping inverse to the quality of the stories.

Uh, one problem though, is the supposed story was the TOS universe id changed by Spock arriving, which is 20 years or so after Disco. They could have gotten away with some kind of "Before Trek" Trek, but they swore it was canon. USS Discovery is definitely NOT canon.

They are indeed the poster kids for the current liberal mindset, if you do not agree and become assimilated, you are the enemy. That was one reason why I thought the guy made some valid observations, in that that is exactly what they are doing to the Klingon's. I do not see the angst ridden captain and first officer story.

ST never dealt with money well at all, as 50% of their plots were directly fueled by greed. Harry Mudd for example, miners and such (I mean, who would want to mine, unless the became "fabulously wealthy" which was one line from TOS on why they needed them). The whole "we dumped money" idea never worked, at all, as they never gave any good reason for why someone would love to do the dirty jobs.

Under the current political structure as it evolved after WW2, we cannot have a "small limited standing army" in that EVERYONE want to control EVERYONE else. Go watch WW2 Confidential on History or Smithsonian, they did a good job showing a lot of the deep diide and manipulation of all the players. Everyone was lying, everyone was manipulating, and Stalin was just killing everyone. Same today, when you have so many countries that want your ass in a sling for whatever reason, you need enough strength to stop them, as well as the proxies. Proxy war has been the rule since 1945. The snowflake poulation today lives in a dreamworld of "you make me feel bad inside" while telling you how "you are a (fill in your special name here)" and not meaning one little shred of it. Just like The Beast and Bernie all lied out their butts with their ever increasing "I will give you free (fill in your want)" As long as we have the wimpy diaper kids here, and really bad intentioned people outside, we need our large military.

Almost everybody in B5 was flawed, and that was what made it so good, no one was a saint.

Firefly was good too, I think one thing that handicapped it was it was not well set up in the beginning and a lot of people could not connect spaceships with horses and steam trains.

B5 was wonderful, funny and serious. It was sort of early Orville, the first show to use CGI (Lightwave) as the primary illustrative tool, and they did great work, for then. Jerry Doyle was a really good character in it.

"B5 had a similar opening plot."
I only saw a few episodes. I plan to watch that entire series at some point.

You'd think based on what we've seen, but that's not so: http://comicbook.com/startrek/2017/08...

I must admit it's been years since I've watched any network sit-coms, or anything else they have to offer as regular "entertainment". Usually I've had a day of creativity and work of some kind or another and just want nice entertainment or education without all the insults to my values and indoctrination to rot. I do channel hop and land on such programming to check it out if I've never seen it before, but can size it up in a few minutes of viewing and move on never to return again.

Thanks, freedomforall.