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(48) Star Trek: Discovery is Truly God Awful (Spoilers)

Posted by $ nickursis 8 years, 2 months ago to Entertainment
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A little afield, but interesting, in that this guy clearly shows just how involved the left gets in trying to make any vehicle a propaganda piece, and why the new ST series is actually extremely racist, bigoted and a clear violation of all they keep crying over.


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  • Posted by $ blarman 8 years, 1 month ago in reply to this comment.
    Agreed. There needed to be a bit more backstory. If you watched the entire (and only) season, you finally got out of it that there were the haves (the old world) and the have nots (the settlers), but it took a long time to get there.
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  • Posted by CircuitGuy 8 years, 1 month ago in reply to this comment.
    I understand about 50% of this, and I suspect I'm not getting the main point.

    Deligitimizing institutions - It seems like there's a broad trend of Boomers saying they reformed institutions and my generation is too cynical and does not appreciate their work. Millennials seem like they grew up slower and still retain some childish feeling that if they do what they're told they shouldn't have any hardship. (I think all middle-aged people think this way, so I'm cautious it may be just middle-age crankiness about the youth.)

    "Hillary gang bailed on her for Bernie" - You're Sanders challenged Clinton's with promises of gov't handouts.
    "maybe you missed it"
    No, I didn't. I really wanted Clinton to win the electoral college, so I was reading those articles. I saw the whole the thing.

    "stolid conservatives, who once bought, stay bought."
    Bought? You mean in the sense of bribed? Or you mean less fickle? How's that related?

    flake universe - I think this is your word for the thing where people say they don't want to be around upsetting ideas. No one likes upsetting ideas, but these people go overboard and say they shouldn't have to hear even respectfully-stated ideas they don't like. I think, but am not sure, it's related to hovering parents.

    "when there was a communist under every chair, desk and behind every tree, the needed to know where you were every moment"
    I was a kid in the 70s and 80s. I remember people being rightly afraid of nuclear war, but I don't remember it translating into your parents needing to know exactly where you were every minute. Kids were running around playing. I never sensed adults felt like hovering over their kids would protect them from the Soviet threat.

    "90s we had Iraq and Desert Storm and that moved in terrorism."
    So I was a teenager by the 90s, and I never sensed people were afraid their young kids would be affected by the invasion of Iraq.

    I do remember reading about parents who worried about their young children being affected by terrorism. At the time I thought it wasn't true, but now I suspect it was. I was a young adult by then and not thinking about children.

    "the "threat of the week "
    This is real, but it is not at all what I'm talking about. The thing I observe is obsessively hovering over kids with no stated threat. It's not that they're worried about something that I don't agree is a threat. It's more like a psychological ritual or something where they must spend every second staring at their kids. I suspect it's the cause of the thing where some young adults think they should be protected from respectful disagreement. That problem is frankly too serious for name-calling. I think it's a real sociological trend. I think the pendulum is swinging the other way. People are calling it giving their kids "grit" and raising them "free-range". The words mean basically NOT doing the obsessive hovering that became popular at some point after I grew up.

    "Then you get told to tell the nicely, and do not scare them with loud noises, mean words or hand gestures."
    I do not know what this means. Who's doing the telling? I think you're describing a particular uptight person. I used to ruminate about why people have a problem with me, but I've mellowed and I just avoid the situation. It can be hard if it's a big client, but I know if I refer them to someone else and gracefully exit the project, in a year everyone will be happier and I'll hardly remember.
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  • Posted by $ 8 years, 1 month ago in reply to this comment.
    There are flakes in every age group, but the majority are those just coming into their twenties, who have been told by their university idiots in classes like "Cultural Equality for the Masses101" all the fantasies that are carefully made up to blame all the groups that came before them, thus deligitimitizing anything they ever did, said or created. Thus the statue mess, the "safe space" cry, the protests when anyone who ever they do not agree with shows up to speak, because the whole framework of society has been indicted. Not for any good reason, just because, and it permeates into everything else. Since they are so fractured, they splinter easier than the stolid conservatives, who once bought, stay bought. The Hillary gang bailed on her for Bernie because he promised more, and maybe you missed it, but the last 2 months of the election wer a constant bidding war, even when Bernie was safely tucked away in his new 3rd house. Maybe you see none of it, in your business or whatever, because anyone associated with business that is not dependent on a government subsidy or grant, has to make a profit, and so cannot live in the flake universe. Your momisim is related to the same thing in the 60's, when there was a communist under every chair, desk and behind every tree, the needed to know where you were every moment, in the 90s we had Iraq and Desert Storm and that moved in terrorism. Now no parent will allow her kid to go to a concert without body armor. It is probably there in every generation, the "threat of the week". The flakes are out there, I have worked with a few, and even been through the mill of HR for being "mean" and telling them the awful truth that "Yes, your beautiful process doesn't work and causes bad things like: XXXXXX"." Then you get told to tell the nicely, and do not scare them with loud noises, mean words or hand gestures. You must be lucky, or have exposed yourself to them enough to not "be mean".
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  • Posted by $ allosaur 8 years, 1 month ago in reply to this comment.
    You've inspired my dangerous dino mind to imagine Michillary the Hero Hag who cackles as she photon torpedoes Kleon star cruisers with red cross hospital ship markings.
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  • Posted by CircuitGuy 8 years, 1 month ago in reply to this comment.
    I don't actually know who the players are: "flakes", "sods", "black communities", "suffragettes". I see so many people going about their business with no regard for any of these groups. As bizarre as all this (including those two articles) sounds to me, there may be something to it because of how attitudes toward watching children has changed radically. People over 40 are either confused by it or just accept the world has radically changed. People under 30 grew up under the new rules and don't even realize it. It seems like something happened in the 90s, when I was a teenager and young adult, in watching kids. There are so many examples but I've seen young parents make a hand gesture indicating "eyes" to admonish their 8 y/o for running behind a tree in the course of their play with other kids. The theory goes a parent has to keep eyes locked on kids every second, and cannot be trusted to run in a park even for a split second behind a tree. The parent or guardian must literally be staring at them ever instant, in a way that strikes me as obsessive but strikes most people under 30 as just normal. For lack of a better name, I call this behavior "momism".

    Maybe this has nothing to do with all this stuff about flakes programming sods or whatever. Frankly that stuff sounds like a bad sci-fi horror film with nothing to do with reality, BUT I do know there is some sociological change going on that I do not understand. I see no indication it's related to race or anything, but something is going on.

    In the world of adults, I see none of this at all. Sure politicians are trying to get people fired up and angry at their neighbors, but adults seem to ignore it and focus on their lives. With kids, though, we treat them like we're paranoid if they have a moment to create their own game or just hang out society will crumble.
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  • Posted by Temlakos 8 years, 1 month ago in reply to this comment.
    By the time Manny Coto took over as chief showrunner for Enterprise, he could not repair all the continuity damage other showrunners had let writers do to the canon. But he gave it the Good Old College Try just the same, and came up with brilliant solutions that would have impressed Anton Checkhov. Only now CBS have chucked all that in favor of a totally unworkable and philosophically unsound vision.
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  • Posted by $ 8 years, 1 month ago in reply to this comment.
    I wish, but that is 2 years old and you cannot find any updates, so it probably has died. It is hard to get anything made unless it is the 5th remake or a franchise like FastandFurious132.
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  • Posted by freedomforall 8 years, 1 month ago in reply to this comment.
    Don't worry, I'm sure that when the writers make her heroic they will change her name to Michillary. Can't have a hero with a male name- too confusing for the audience since they have been programmed that men are evil traitors and mutineers.
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  • Posted by IndianaGary 8 years, 1 month ago in reply to this comment.
    That was because they never understood the nature of money and what it represents in a trader society. I doubt any of them ever read Atlas Shrugged.
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  • Posted by Temlakos 8 years, 1 month ago in reply to this comment.
    The Vulcan exchange officer, T'Pol, crash-landed in an earlier century and recalled having to--horrors!--get a job of work to acquire "specie" to pay for room and board.
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  • Posted by $ 8 years, 1 month ago in reply to this comment.
    I do not recall that from Enterprise (the series) but could be, although, as I said, Harry rand scams to make money, including selling the tribbles, etc. BTW in the Tribble episode, what did the bartender charge the Federations folks and the Klingon's? If they have no money, why would he have a bar?
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  • Posted by Temlakos 8 years, 1 month ago in reply to this comment.
    One could possibly explain that the Federation completed their moneyless economy in response to the Harry Mudd cons. Except that the Enterprise show said the moneyless economy was already in place.
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  • Posted by $ 8 years, 1 month ago in reply to this comment.
    In fact, one of the Harry Mud ones dealt with him and some rejuvenation drug he could make women beautiful with, and he was "selling them" to remote miners.
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  • Posted by $ 8 years, 1 month ago in reply to this comment.
    Oh yes, the money thing was an ongoing mess for Trek writers, so the bluffed their way through. In one episode, they find an old ship with 4 people aboard, supposedly frozen at time of death in case they could be revived and fixed, which is what they did. They are in the midst of a conflict with the Romulans and several times the rich guy wanted to know about his wealth until Picard and Data let all his air out by telling them they no longer used money, that everyone pursued their best potential or some such. Good lines, except no one explained who does the dirty jobs, who works in Utopia Planetia shipyards putting ships together, and reconciled the miners who lived rough to "make a fortune in a few years" from TOS.
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  • Posted by Temlakos 8 years, 1 month ago in reply to this comment.
    I wondered about that one myself. You have to have some kind of trade, after all. I sense the showrunners, in the Nineties, forgot they had even made two episodes with Roger C. Carmel as Harry Mudd. Who would run a con, and against whom, and for what gain?
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  • Posted by $ 8 years, 1 month ago in reply to this comment.
    It is that "whole industry" that is programming the flakes, though, and the silly sods believe it, as stopping and thinking and discussing is much too much work. Race is such a topic, banned, verboten in most workplaces, and is easily manipulated because groups congregate, and then feed off each other. Black communities create their own hell by staying in closed groups, with limited jobs, and the gang influence, that makes it very hard for a black kid to actually get educated to get out. A lot never get away from the "hood", I have met a large number who keep all the "culture" in the military, and STILL blame others for their issues, even when it is obvious they did not get promoted because they failed the test. The same communities blame the "racists". The white suffragettes who think every sin is theirs to bear, thus they must make everything right by some or any means, then jump on that bandwagon and will spout nonsense that makes no logical sense, yet they really believe it.The 2 links I posted testify to that. While it IS their own doing, it is YOUR fault, by their skewed logic.
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  • Posted by $ 8 years, 1 month ago in reply to this comment.
    "IF" we had an armed population. Remember, said flakes are always trying to disarm the population. Yet their efforts in Chicago yielded worse results because, as many people have pointed out, they make it hard for people to legally get guns, but that does not effect illegals ones, so crime goes up, murder rate goes up, etc. I disagree on the spoils idea, in that the market is a spoil itself, the materials, knowledge and tools are spoils, and every country with a "communist" or "socialist" government, seems to just be wallpaper over a dictatorship with either a party or person in power and a few elites getting rich, Venezuela comes to mind, but China is also a good example. The value in trade only exists when you have the stable currency in the world, and right now China is making moves to disrupt that with their latest Yuan moves and gold trading centers.
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  • Posted by $ 8 years, 1 month ago in reply to this comment.
    Well, that is good, I am not trying to push one way or the other, as each individual needs to determine what they watch and why, I was just thinking that the video presented an alternative view to some of the decisions made in making STD, and how and why they made specific choices. The Trek canon issue will go on probably for a long, long time. Unless they have some good deals for DVD's, I will skip STD, mainly because I do not stream due to slow internet speeds, and there is no alternative available. CBS was not all that brilliant in not considering people do not all have high speed internet available, nor do a lot of plans allow for large data, nor do they hook up their phones to the TV.
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  • Posted by CircuitGuy 8 years, 1 month ago in reply to this comment.
    Cool. I appreciate ENT now more than when it was on.

    Maybe in 30 years DIS will be like some TOS and TNG episodes that I thought were amazing and I now think are stupid. But right now I like DIS the way I liked TOS and TNG 30 years ago. I did not like VOY or ENT, so this is the first time in a long time I've had new Star Trek I liked. Maybe they'll run it with Neutral Zone preaching or too many anomaly-of-the-week episodes, but right now I'm enjoying it.
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  • Posted by CircuitGuy 8 years, 1 month ago in reply to this comment.
    "First group, and what happened December 7, 194"
    Isn't that amazing though. A problem of war cropped up and they turned their economy into fighting it. The theory was the gov't would back out of the economy once the problem was over, but of course it's never over. The gov't says they're holding their finger in the dike and people would die if it weren't for them. So, they say, one country has to appoint itself police officer and protect the world.

    "see how secure you would be with a billion armed Chinese coming to visit"
    If we had an armed population, some of whom trained together regularly, it would be very costly to attack. And the spoils of war aren't there. The people of the world are enjoying a wonderful lifestyle their grandparents couldn't conceive of by trading with one another. The value is in the things they make for one another. It's not like gold that you could go loot. The value is in trade. Going to war with an armed population that's willing to engage in friendly trade is a losing deal.
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  • Posted by CircuitGuy 8 years, 1 month ago in reply to this comment.
    "If you can still not identify the flakes in your world, you may need some therapy"
    I'm not saying jerks, criminals, and people with other character flaws do not exist. They exist. I just don't see them as a new phenomenon causing particular problems. There's a whole industry saying, "you're struggling in life, and it's mostly to blame on [insert people with character flaw] and their leaders like [insert politicians]." That seems bogus to me. There have always been human frailties. People's problems and successes, including mine, are mostly their own doing and chance.
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  • Posted by $ 8 years, 1 month ago in reply to this comment.
    It my have been inspired by it, but the Akira was from a game made by FASA, who had to add ship types for the game to work. This was then made into models, and then CGI models and became fan fodder for mods etc, and a lot of FASA was folded into canon. The link below details it and there was a lot of use of the Akira model for NX01, but a lot of other things were changes to make it "different" like most ships, they needed to make each one somewhat unique. Here is a detailed discussion of the 2 ships, to explain why it is not so:

    http://www.ex-astris-scientia.org/art...
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