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The collectivist humans dont give anything back at all. They are just thieves.
Collectivists are cowards because they are fearful of being individuals and have it pointed out that they failed (or succeeded) on their own.
My main point, made by Eric Hoffer:
".......on the other hand, a mass movement (collective) particularly in its active, revivalist phase, appeals not to those intent on bolstering and advancing a cherished self, but to those who crave to be rid of an unwanted self. A mass movement attracts and holds a following not because it can satisfy the desire for self-advancement, but because it can satisfy the passion for self-renunciation."
Why did the Western world stagnate through about 10 centuries of misery under tyranny, superstition, a mainly-monopoly Church, and diseases? Because it takes a long time for rational ideas to gain acceptance.
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