[Ask the Gulch] Would Ayn Rand favor Open Borders?
Posted by jimjamesjames 7 years, 7 months ago to Ask the Gulch
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I still say, that to be open bordered we must have Everything in common; language, culture, laws, money and moral norms and currency...otherwise we'll just have One Big Mess. Right back to our days in Babylon...as you know, that experiment failed epically.
Can't have cannibalistic, barbaric, illiterate cultures mixed in with Conscious, peace loving, creative, productive, educated cultures.
What's sad is that they USE THE LAWS AGAINST us, while breaking them, to USE THE LAWS AGAINST us to change them, to USE THE LAWS AGAINST us to in the end and take our country and turn it into their very countries they ran from.
The people supporting open borders think that when all is said and done they will have their money and position, and millions and millions s who will vote for them and all will be well. But they are in for a surprise! The masses will take their money and property too, and the only help their position might be is an extra biscuit at breakfast - if that
Cloward and Piven and Alynski.
"Make the powers live by the rules that they made. If we demand this to the Nth degree, they can't and we win."
And if we had better laws (not the 1965 Immigration Act) then we would not have the first 2.
Finally, what good are laws if we CAN'T enforce them? Florida is now sprouting Sanctuary Counties in the bluest counties... So that when the voting happens, Florida will swing Blue like CA all the time. One generation is all we have left for most swing states. And then it is officially over.
Please remember what the Electoral College map looked like for ANY Republican... None of this is an accident.
Powerful and rich people are playing their games and gaming their plays!
However, only in the context of no Welfare State benefits until they became citizens (given the WS does exist at all).
Our social safety net would be totally overwhelmed and, in fact, destroyed. We would see third world shanty towns growing up around our cities. Crime and drugs, drug crimes and gangs would become rampant. The government would have to seize property, assets and bank accounts to try to meet the demands for benefits, but would ultimately fail because these people would keep coming and coming, and in the millions.
For these and other reasons I do not believe Rand would have stood for open borders for a minute.
And upholding the constitution and rational Fed/State laws, that would not be the result.
But of course we don't have that environment....
You’re right that if we followed the Constitution and Fed/State laws (and enforcing them) we would have a much, much smaller problem. That’s why I fight every day to return the Country to the Constitution and our Founding Principles.
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In America, white people are too entitled to work, black people did their work, as slaves, so they don't have to work any more. Physical labor is done by brown people, Hispanics, Asians, Middle Easterners, etc. We don't want the damn jobs and we want the results but we don't want the people that make it all possible. I think we don't have an immigration problem but we have many problems that get exposed when this issue is discussed.
Real-life politics just wasn't her forte.
Reagan had serious flaws; primarily, he was too religious and transformed the Rep. party. Her view had nothing to do his opposition.
She disliked Libertarianism for its lack of a moral foundation, etc., not claiming that they "stole" from her. Her politics flowed rationally from the rest of her philosophy. And as a philosopher, her focus was on principles, not the pragmatism of "real-life politics". If people followed her philosophy, there would be conflicts with real-life.
She would never give Lib. that much credit. Lib. morality would not allow it to be the political expression of Obj.
That's my take anyway.
I referred to Libertarian morality, not Rand's morality. I fully understand her philosophy.
Rational self-interest IS the central point of her morality: "rational" is the key word - one acting for his own sake and welfare without any interference of others' rights.
Thanks