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But the main issue IMHO is: Why are public school teachers (or any government employees) allowed to strike for higher income? This is the root of the problem.
I work in the private sector, and our costs for an employee are also significantly more than their salary. No $shit, really? Yes, all companies are like this, and about 30% goes to the ridiculous regulat-apitablism we call health care.
The key relevant points for teachers are:
1. nine months a year work.
2. pensions
These two effects on their salaries count. The rest is irrelevant.
My father was a high school physics teacher, and I made more my first year of working as an engineer, than he made his last year. That said, teacher's salaries are now out of control, particularly in certain areas, like here in MA, where starting teachers make more $ for 9 months than we pay starting engineers.
Today the number of administrative staff averages about double the number of teachers. These parasites drain funds that should be directed at the classrooms. They also rob the pensions and benefits intended originally for teachers. When state legislatures try to find more money for their school system, it most often goes to add more administrative staff, instead of into the classrooms.
The progressive hierarchy of these equality authoritarians is extensive and they are way overpaid in relation to their value. They actually drain resources and devalue most teachers as well as education as a whole.
It is an altruist sacafice of our children to the greater good of equalness.
I assure you that teacher pay has gone up substantially since 1985.
Many public school teachers are overpaid baby sitters who deliver propaganda mindlessly that destroys the lives of the young people they brainwash.
We had this discussion before about public education. The problem is the system, not the teachers. Private schools offer some relief in the landscape, but the problem with education in the main is the same as the problem in transportation in general. You can complain about the common culture, or you can manage your corner of it.
Since 2012, I have served every year as a judge in our regiional science fairs. It is not much, but it is what I do. What do you do?
If it’s fair value they want, they should be charged heavily for schooling marxist ideology to children. Similar to criminals who hand out drugs to children.
And there is not much so-called "Marxism" in mathematics, chemistry, and physics. Physical education is largely collectivist with its emphasis on team sports. But the entire physical education curriculum - the very idea of it - came from Germany in the 19th century. German education was very Kantian. (There'a great scene in the opening of All Quiet on the Western Front when Paul is listening to his high school teacher.) Ayn Rand identified Immanuel Kant, not Karl Marx, as her greatest enemy.
If you want to solve this problem, you need to focus on the epistemological roots.
https://youtu.be/Eo4rvxDwQZs
Full lecture,
https://youtu.be/t32xwMTDx9A
Public education suffers from no end of problems. Like Benjamin Franklin's post office and Benjamin Franklin's fire department, public education today is not what it was 250 years ago when the village parents paid a local someone they knew to teach their children. That model does not work today. It was always flawed by its collectivist foundation, but now the failure is all but complete. All we have are isolated exceptions of success.
But in any case, you can no more blame the teachers than you can blame the groundskeepers in the city parks department for the failures of their institutions.
(Why Public Spaces Fail -- https://www.pps.org/article/failedpla... )
(How Boston Fails at Public Spaces -- https://www.bostonglobe.com/opinion/2... )
(A Failure in St. Paul -- https://www.twincities.com/2018/03/18... )
You appear to have an abiding interest in race and the relative position of the so-called "white
race" in particular. The fact is that "race" does not exist; "race" has no scientific basis. Have you read Ayn Rand's famous essay on "Racism."
"— the bum who boasts that his great-grandfather was an empire-builder, or the small-town spinster who boasts that her maternal great-uncle was a state senator and her third cousin gave a concert at Carnegie Hall (as if the achievements of one man could rub off on the mediocrity of another) — the parents who search genealogical trees in order to evaluate their prospective sons-in-law — the celebrity who starts his autobiography with a detailed account of his family history — all these are samples of racism ..."
See here: https://ari.aynrand.org/issues/cultur...
Only in self-defense to those who use that race first. And then I typically demonstrate the hypocrisy of race baiters.
To spin is what they do.
(2) Why are you mad at teachers? As Newt Gingrich said about all government employees: these folks are your neighbors; they are not evil; they just have the wrong information system. Do you hate the city parks department, too? Refuse collectors? The problem is the institution in which they work. And it was "we the peiople" who created and empowered those structures. The problem is not gardeners or teachers, but the lack of an open market.
(3) Was your high school physics teacher overpaid? How about the woman who taught you cursive? What was that worth to you in your life? Education is invaluable.
(4) For every conservative who complains that public education is "Marxist" there is a real Marxist who points out that schools just train people to work at pointless jobs for low wages and then waste their money on consumerist junk in order to fuel the capitalist war machine. (Just sayin'...)
(5) The original post and the first comments are just examples of "moral posturing" which has been discussed here in the Gulch.
(6) Since 2012, I have been a judge in our regional science fairs. I have seen the outcomes. Teachers get paid pretty much the same everywhere. What counts most is the involvement of the parents in the education of their children. We have a Muslim "Peace Academy" here and a Jewish high school of course, and a slew of Catholic schools, naturally enough. Those parents made choices. The parents who only want babysitters are getting what they asked for. But you cannot fault the teachers for that.
One can be opposed to the educational system and the way money is spent without being opposed to the teachers themselves. Vast sums of money disappear into bureaucracies without making it to the classroom. Unfortunately the teachers union, supported by most teachers, strongly resists any effort to break up this governmental construction and allow the creation of smaller organizations.
I do think that the attorney model of teaching might make more sense where teachers band together, hire staff and run schools rather than being employees of the state.
And I do dislike the argument that what teachers do is very important -- unless someone wants to hold them responsible for the result, in which case it's not their fault. We've all been students and we are well aware that the quality of teaching varies significantly, but "teachers get paid pretty much the same everywhere" denies the quality of good teachers. It says "all teachers are the same" -- a collective view of the world.
Do you think that I was claiming that all teachers are interchangeable? My point was that teacher pay is not the determining factor in student outcome.
As I said in the previous discussion on this topic, the fact that their salaries are set by political process forces them to negotiate for wages by the same means.
I was speaking to the idea that you can't simultaneously say that what you do is important and that it makes no difference because everything is based on parental influence and society.
Good teachers make a difference. We should identify them and reward them -- but that means that some teachers will not be so identified and rewarded -- they will blame someone else for their failures.