Does a person have to die to be free?

Posted by edweaver 10 years, 8 months ago to Government
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The “Genie, You’re Free” post brought this question to my mind again so thought I would open it to discussion.
Is death the only way to rid yourself of government? When you break it down to this level, is that right?
I don’t intend this to be a morbid discussion nor am I encouraging people to off themselves because of something that may get stated on this topic. Life is still worth living, at least in my opinion but why is death the only way to get that monkey off your back. Is that really the way life is intended. I don’t think so. How do we ever get government out of our lives? What is the better solution?


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  • Posted by LaMuse 10 years, 8 months ago in reply to this comment.
    Thank you for posting that - I found that book at a yard sale a long time ago and bought it for ten cents. I was intrigued by the title but put it on my book shelf and never opened it. I'll make sure to make it my next "read"
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  • Posted by sfdi1947 10 years, 8 months ago in reply to this comment.
    KH we are not a Democracy, pure Democracy only existed two times, in ancient Athens where it existed for just fourteen years before Cicero was forced to end the anarchy with force, and in France in 1792 when it lasted 41 days. We are a Constitutional Representative Democracy wherein we follow the Constitution's direction to elect Assemblymen and Senators as well as a president and vice president.
    When we do not enforce our will on our representatives, then we have what we have today.
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  • Posted by $ Mimi 10 years, 8 months ago in reply to this comment.
    I don’t know why people are pointing you down. You present your arguments with well written sentence and give others a change to exercise a few brain-cells in rebuttal. (Note: I didn’t say you were right. :))
    I’m going to give you your point back and hope that others realize that it is refreshing from time to time to have a logical opinion to mull over.
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  • Posted by dbhalling 10 years, 8 months ago in reply to this comment.
    The youtube video "Eye of the Beholder" this is an attack on epistemology and contains numerous errors. First of all knowledge is contextual and every instance of confusion shown is about inferences that ignore the facts. The maid could not have seen murder without ignoring the most obvious fact that the woman got up and walked out. The same is true of the other people, just more subtle.

    The optical illusions at the beginning prove nothing. There are no blocks, it is an illustration. The answer would be that the painter failed to convey their meaning if they wanted to show 6 block instead of 7 and vice versa.
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  • Posted by khalling 10 years, 8 months ago in reply to this comment.
    disagree. It is the powerful who yell democracy who break the system. bums bum out. they don't vote.
    Objectivists get their nose out of joint easily. knock them down like a bowling pin when they are elitist. or zen or alabaster
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  • Posted by sfdi1947 10 years, 8 months ago in reply to this comment.
    KH shall we agree to disagree? The functional Objectivist, so clearly defined in A.S. and contrasted in "Living" and "Anthem" is so clear. It is the Objectivist who makes everything work, in the process of which, all else is supported. In today's society, Objectivism has been overrun by the takers. No Objectivist minds takers with legitimate need, it is the bums who will not work who will break the system.
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  • Posted by Hiraghm 10 years, 8 months ago in reply to this comment.
    He's not impeachable.

    Article 2, section 1, clause 5.

    According to the provided birth certificate, his father was Barack Hussein Obama, sr. A British subject at the time of his birth.

    Although born in Hawaii and therefore a *native born* citizen, Obama is not a *natural born* citizen, because he is not the citizen child of citizens.

    He can't hold the office, ergo, he can't be impeached. Charged with fraud, grand larceny and manslaughter, yes... but not impeached.
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  • Posted by CarolSeer2014 10 years, 8 months ago in reply to this comment.
    So you think we can have freedom and liberty without his impeachment, or eventually again, after he's gone.
    You are forgetting unintended consequences--there just may be less of us around, SLL. Think about that!
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  • Posted by straightlinelogic 10 years, 8 months ago in reply to this comment.
    You misunderstand me. I would be more than happy to see him impeached, and the Constitution makes it essentially a political, not a legal question. However, I put that on the same plane as eradicating cockroaches; worthwhile, to be sure, but nothing we lovers of freedom and liberty can rally around as a long term ideal.
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  • Posted by Herb7734 10 years, 8 months ago in reply to this comment.
    Frankly, in my postings on this subject, it was not my intention to digress into a discussion of spirituality. If it is your intention to educate me in certain areas I am always open to that, but I don't think it would be right to carry on such a discussion on this site. If you wish to do so, I'll give you an e-mail address through which we can communicate.
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  • Posted by CarolSeer2014 10 years, 8 months ago in reply to this comment.
    His inability to protect the constitution and his failures in foreign policy reflect on his character, such as it is. Are you still so blind?
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  • Posted by CarolSeer2014 10 years, 8 months ago in reply to this comment.
    Forget what I said about the world.
    Tell me your reasons for not impeaching him.
    (Read my question to you in my new thread "Me and The Prez"--doesn't seem to be inspiring too many comments.)
    You see, I think your reasons for not impeaching him is because you can only see the short term.
    By every form of constitutional legality he has proven himself impeachment-worthy. That is, it is almost a moral obligation on the people and congress of America to fulfill that obligation.
    A man who has done so much so far to actively (destroy may be too strong a word) at least one can say he has not "protected and defended the constitution". will not suddenly change overnight.You are committing the fallacy of failure to posit alternative consequences--that is, in the next 2 years something may come up in global events that would require a leader of some worth.
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  • Posted by 10 years, 8 months ago in reply to this comment.
    I post questions to both learn & to teach. You sir are teaching which accomplishes my goal. Thank you for your contribution!
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  • Posted by Hiraghm 10 years, 8 months ago in reply to this comment.
    I've long thought it stupid that there's not been the spacecraft equivalent of Ford; mass produced reusable spacecraft.

    We should be building surface-to-orbit craft, and orbit-to-orbit craft, and habitats (giant, orbit-to-orbit craft sans propulsion systems), and we should be building robotic craft, to transport fuel to/from trans-solar "coaling stations" and "refineries" we'll have to build.
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  • Posted by Hiraghm 10 years, 8 months ago in reply to this comment.
    My 2 bits of wisdom:

    1) I used to have an open mind, until too many people mistook it for an empty garbage can

    2) I'm always right. Because when I discover I'm wrong, I change my mind.
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  • Posted by WaltMaken 10 years, 8 months ago in reply to this comment.
    Over the years I've come across 3 "bits of wisdom" that I try to keep in mind that are especially helpful in being able to be more objective and less subjective when evaluating new or otherwise unfamiliar subjects. Those are: 1. Never utter these words 'I do not know this, therefore it is false.' One must study to know, know to understand, understand to judge. 2. The most difficult mental process of all is to objectively consider any concept which, if accepted as fact, will turn into discard a lifetime of training and experience. And 3. When one who has been honestly mistaken is shown or told the truth, they will either stop being mistaken or cease being honest. Which will you do? Those 3 "bits of wisdom" are available as a nice single-page pdf download at https://drive.google.com/folderview?id=0... .

    In response to your further question "Since you no longer exist as a human being?", and in light of those 3 "bits of wisdom", have you yet taken the time to watch and objectively consider the entirety of https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=z56u4wMx... ? If not, along with keeping in mind those 3 "bits of wisdom", it would probably be helpful to enabling you to have a more objective considering of that video for you to first take the time to watch a shorter, 23 minute long video at https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uYKB-Hg7... in order to better understand our natural tendencies to be subjective rather than objective in evaluating what we "see" (or what we THINK we "see").

    Once you have watched both videos, and also are keeping in mind those 3 "bits of wisdom", then revisit the Stephen Covey quote that: "We are not human beings on a spiritual journey. We are spiritual beings on a human journey." and see if that then gives you a different perspective on your question "Since you no longer exist as a human being?"
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  • Posted by Herb7734 10 years, 8 months ago in reply to this comment.
    OK. How about, "Since you no longer exist as a human being? So far, no one has been able to prove anything about death. Does consciousness go on bodyless? I'd love to think so, but even Houdini was unable to report back.
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